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92 reasons to oppose the Fair Tax

Written by: Jim Nichols on Apr 24, 2008 10:54 AM EDT

Linked to groups: Democracy for America - Georgia Chapter

Actually since there were 105,480,101 households in America in 2000 there are actually--by my calculations--about 97,041,692 reasons (or should I say households) to oppose the Fair Tax; or any sort of consumption tax.

Don't follow what I mean? I know, unfortunately at least a few supporters probably hope you don't.  I'll turn to the tax policy center and their online issue brief: National Retail Sales Tax: Who would bear the burden?

Under a national retail sales tax, the wealthiest households in the country would receive stunningly large tax cuts. Households in the top 1 percent of the income distribution have an average income of about $475,000. Their average tax cut would be $79,000, or more than the incomes of all but about 8 percent of households. Put another way, the roughly 1.1 million taxpayers in this top 1 percent would save a total of $87 billion on their taxes each year. This cut would be financed by tax increases on the bottom 92 percent of households. Households with income between $5,000 and $50,000 would face an average tax increase of over $1,000.

If someone turns to you and asks why you don't want the Fair Tax... "cause like its Fair" and "who would be against that."  Just smile and respectfully say...

"Speaking as just one of the 92% of us in this country who would actually get a tax hike from it... I'd have to say no its not, and no it wouldn't be."

crossposted at Speculative Fiction

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By Winiferd Nettro on Apr 24, 2008 7:53 PM EDT

Click here to see the mess that Britain is in: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080424/wl_nm/britain_strikes_dc  Let's deliver ourselves from economic wrong moves by clicking here: http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23894 

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By Phil Specht on Apr 24, 2008 5:22 PM EDT

Howard Dean is first.

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By Phil Specht on Apr 24, 2008 5:40 PM EDT

tax the movement of money

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By audrey.nc on Apr 24, 2008 5:42 PM EDT


E-mail to Hardbell:

If Grampy McCain can't even lead the NC RNC to not run the Rev. Wright ad, then he is too weak to lead the nation.

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By Phil Specht on Apr 24, 2008 5:48 PM EDT

Republicans explained:

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Printable version Human line 'nearly split in two' By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

Ancient humans started down the path of evolving into two separate species before merging back into a single population, a genetic study suggests.

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By Phil Specht on Apr 24, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
Printable version US new home sales at 16-year-low

Sales of new homes in the US fell more than expected in March to their lowest level since late-1991.

Sales fell 8.5% from February to a seasonally adjusted 526,000 homes, according to the Commerce Department.

The median price of a home was down 13.3% from March 2007, which is the biggest fall since July 1970.

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By mary vb on Apr 24, 2008 6:04 PM EDT

President Bartlett is endorsing Barack.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

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By Huron John on Apr 24, 2008 6:08 PM EDT

by the way, do you mind being called HuJo?  if not, I'll stop - I just kinda like the sound of it!

I don't mind at all--a nice contraction, even though it reads a bit like one of Stephen King's mad dogs. That's probably appropriate too, especially to the uberloyalists!

6:11pm

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By Huron John on Apr 24, 2008 6:26 PM EDT

OBAMA BLOWS OFF EARTH DAY

http://www.counterpunch.org/blair04242008.html

I've quelled my concerns with many policies Obama has embraced, opting to take friends' and colleagues' advice that he is the only candidate that will bring change that I agreed is needed.

I was particularly thrilled that I would get to see Obama on Earth Day. He has oft acknowledged the planetary carbon crisis and he was coming to the town that is the center of the largest concentration of coal fired capacity in the world. Rarely, are politicians give such wonderful opportunities to speak directly to such issues to a national audience.

But, Obama was mum on the environment and everything else that could have been discussed on Earth Day. Oh, he did mention renewable energy and a "planet in peril." I had heard him say those things a thousand times.

Did he even know it was Earth Day?

I tried to dismiss the lack of an Earth Day message as a personal bias on my part. But what I failed to understand why his handlers had failed to even recognize that it was Earth Day.

Instead of trying to keep a smiley face on his big loss in Pennsylvania, acting like it did not matter that his candidacy is on the ropes, Obama could have diverted attention away from the Clinton Pennsylvania win with a strong Earth Day statement during his appearance in Evansville.

Obama flies around in a Boeing 757. He has business to conduct and there is no fault in using such a plane to get from here to there with an entourage of staff and reporters in tow.

However, I was told today by an air traffic controller at the Evansville tower that they were informed by the plane's crew that they would leave the engines running during his stay in Evansville so that a quick exit could be made.

Opportunities like those presented last night in Evansville do not occur very often and frankly he blew this one big time. On Earth Day, instead of planting seeds for a green revolution, he left his engines running on the tarmac.

6:29PM

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By Susan Rowe on Apr 24, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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By sandy m on Apr 24, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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By Karen on Apr 24, 2008 6:38 PM EDT

On Earth Day, instead of planting seeds for a green revolution, he left his engines running on the tarmac.

Don't think he had time to plant trees on April 22,  seems I recall a primary going on then. MSM must be getting pretty desperate to write such nonsense.

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By * rdorgan on Apr 24, 2008 6:41 PM EDT

6:42 PM EDT

McCain and Selma ?

that's like oil and vinegar --

they don't mix 

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By Susan Rowe on Apr 24, 2008 6:45 PM EDT

Is Hillary Clinton Push Polling? by Paul Loeb

North Carolina activist David LaMotte just got a push poll call from the firm of Geoff Garin, the new head of Hillary Clinton's campaign team. It wasn't as bad as asking "would it change your mind if you knew John Kerry actually bought his Vietnam medals off E-Bay." Or "How do you feel about John McCain's illegitimate black children?" But it was a push poll nonetheless, even if it also had elements of information gathering and message testing. . This isn't the first time that the Clinton campaign or their allies have had pollsters offering positive information about Clinton and negative information about her opponents--they did it on the eve of the California primary and in South Carolina. (And firms linked to the Giuliani campaign made highly negative push poll calls against Mitt Romney in Iowa and New Hampshire) But it's a disturbing practice precisely because it tries to spin the recipient under the pretense of merely asking about their views. ...full article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-loeb/...

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By Joan In Florida on Apr 24, 2008 10:40 PM EDT

President Bartlett is endorsing Barack.

 

LOL You had me there mary until In clicked on the link.


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By Monica Smith on Apr 24, 2008 7:22 PM EDT

I HATE--

mother's day

Father's day

black history month

women's history month

presidents' day

valentine's day

earth day

etc. 

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By mary vb on Apr 24, 2008 7:40 PM EDT

s m - rae hart may be moving to your area, SLC!

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By seashell on Apr 24, 2008 11:29 PM EDT

My response to "Black Muslim for president" ICK!  Appears to me to be a slur.

Pat, I hope you now are clear that that remark was made in an article I posted.   Please don't attribute that slur to me.  I believe I provided a link.

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Phil:

I AM NOT CONFUSED.   THE PEOPLE I SUPPORTED, ALL FOUR OR THEM, ARE GONE.  I'M DONE TILL THE GEN'L.

We all know that many many voters wait until the last few days or weeks before starting to consider who they want.  Oregonians are not different from the rest of the country.   I'm hearing " I'm not excited about either one of them."  

I just called the League of Women Voters and suggested they lean on BO to accept the challenge and for THEM to ask the questions. 

 

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By mary vb on Apr 24, 2008 7:44 PM EDT

Open Left has an interesting quote from Bill Clinton about John McCain. What left me stone cold when I read this? How disgraceful the Clinton campaign tactics have been against a fellow Dem.

Bill Clinton on John McCain:

"She and John McCain are very close," Clinton said. "They always laugh that if they wound up being the nominees of their party, it would be the most civilized election in American history, and they're afraid they'd put the voters to sleep because they like and respect each other."

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By sandy m on Apr 24, 2008 7:47 PM EDT

mary vb, yeah I read that, Obama supporters are welcome here.

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By seashell on Apr 24, 2008 11:36 PM EDT

I also called the local voter reg. people and asked some questions and this is what I found out.

1.  Indys are coming out strong to register democratic; very few are registering as repugs.

2.  Dems are NOT registering as repugs.

3.  Repugs are coming out in DROVES to register as dems.

Here is the question:

Who are those droves of repugs going to vote for? 

Barack, becuz they think McCain would beat him the easiest?

Hillary,  becuz they think McCain would beat him the easiest? 

Barack or Hillary becuz they really like the candidate over McC? 

Or are they becoming dems becuz they no longer can stand the repug party?

All of the above? 

How many states have this cross-over thingie?  Lots of room for mischief and we know the repugs are good at that.

HURON, very good posts.  :-) 

 

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By Phil Specht on Apr 24, 2008 11:40 PM EDT

Barack  becuz they really like the candidate over McC. 

 they becoming dems becuz they no longer can stand the repug party

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By Phil Specht on Apr 24, 2008 11:43 PM EDT

first time in decades to turn the Democratic Party progressive and you bail

casting a ballot is such heavy lifting

sheesh

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By puddle on Apr 24, 2008 11:46 PM EDT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Make a Contribution

  
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By Denise in San Mateo County on Apr 24, 2008 11:49 PM EDT

You know the saying Phil. Some people are just never happy. But that's a choice, too.

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By FRED from OR on Apr 24, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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I just love it when Chuck Schumer and Meeks make a statement and then it's applied to 'Congressional Democrats' making it sound like they all agree and it's a done deal.  even Sirota gets a bit brainless in his exaggeration at times!

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Schumer is a greaseball machine politician who is more in touch with the financial district than mainstream America.

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By * rdorgan on Apr 24, 2008 8:10 PM EDT

8:11 PM EDT

dissension in the ranks:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080424/ap_on_el_pr/republicans_obama_7

North Carolina GOP leadership divided over Obama ad

By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer

55 minutes ago

RALEIGH, N.C. - North Carolina Republican leaders are standing by a TV ad critical of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama despite dissension in their own ranks and one station's refusal to air it.

Republican National Committee member Linda Shaw said Thursday she was shocked that her colleagues decided to produce and air the ad, which shows Obama with his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and a clip of Wright's anti-U.S. comments.

"I do not support it," Shaw said. "I had nothing to do with it ... and I'm very disappointed."

Shaw, a longtime party leader, said she repeatedly urged state party chairwoman Linda Daves to withdraw the spot.

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State GOP spokesman Brent Woodcox said officials still planned to air the ad Monday, beginning with the evening newscasts. He said the party had not completed the details on the size of the ad buy.

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WRAL-TV in Raleigh and WSOC-TV in Charlotte have declined to run the spot, Woodcox and station officials said.

Jim Hefner, vice president and general manager at WRAL, said the station had determined the ad was "inflammatory" and decided not to run without knowing that McCain and national Republicans had objected to it.

Democratic party officials have criticized the ad. On Thursday, state Democratic Party Chairman Jerry Meek urged Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole to use her power to keep it off the air.

"As the highest-ranking Republican in the state, you have both the ability and responsibility to erase this stain on our state," Meek said in a letter to Dole. "Your silence tells North Carolinians that you will also sanction similar gutter tactics in your own campaign."

Dole said in an interview that she didn't want to get involved.

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Obama's campaign questioned McCain's efforts to get the ad off the air.

"The fact that Senator McCain can't get his own party to take down this misleading, personal attack ad raises serious questions about his promise to the American people that he will run a civil, respectful campaign," said Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan.

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By FRED from OR on Apr 24, 2008 8:11 PM EDT

Just a drive-by, Phil.

Oregonians are a unique bunch.  There's everything from rednecks  to CA-style liberals, but they are both unique within their own categories, and sometimes I can't tell what a person is.   Clinton's going to get schamltzed here - I have no doubt - the liberals are to independent for the Clinton machine - and there there is a lot of anti-Clinton (starting with Bill) sentiment on both sides.

The rednecks here are more likely to vote for a black person if they like him, than they would in the northeast.  Hard to explain.  Just very independent minded culture.

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By Phil Specht on Apr 25, 2008 12:04 AM EDT

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGCjDL

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Obama in Chicago today speaking to labor.

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By * rdorgan on Apr 24, 2008 8:31 PM EDT

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New Bern, NC:

http://www.newbernsj.com/news/medal_39226___article.html/people_bucha.html

Paul Bucha, a Vietnam War veteran, says he believes Barack Obama would make a good president because he is honest, responsible and a member of a young generation that is “not burned out.”

Medal of Honor recipient says Obama right candidate to lead young generation

April 24, 2008 - 7:53PMMatt TessnearSun Journal

A Vietnam veteran stopped in town Thursday

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Paul Bucha served in the Vietnam War as captain of the 101st Airborne Division.

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He pulled chairs around him at the Obama campaign office on Queen Street and asked people to join him for a "town-hall-like meeting."

Bucha said the United States is not producing anything meaningful, the country's dollar is not worth much and people are crawling over each other to try to get ahead. He said his generation had a chance to improve the country and did not get the job done.

"We started out a ‘he ain't heavy, he's my brother' generation," he said. "We didn't get it done. I want a new generation to take over, one that's not burned out. I think our generation, we lost it. That's why I'm supporting Barack Obama."

Bucha, who is 64, told about 30 people who gathered in the office to be the older generation that supports the younger generation.

"There's nothing wrong with that," he said. "The younger generation is idealistic and has a passion for people."

Good leaders have five qualities and Obama exhibits all of them, he said. The qualities are integrity, confidence, competence, compassion and humility.

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Some of the people who listened to Bucha were veterans. Johnnie Thompkins Jr. is a retired master sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corp.

"He (Bucha) understands what it's like to be a veteran," Thompkins said. "That's the main thing. Some people are saying we're going to be in Iraq for 100 years. That's my grandchildren's grandchildren. We've got to think about what that means for us."

New Bern was one of four stops Bucha made Thursday. He will make three more today.

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 12:21 AM EDT

THE PEOPLE I SUPPORTED, ALL FOUR OR THEM, ARE GONE.

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Let's consider...

Gore: not running / unrealistic

Super K: ::I can only shake my head:: / unrealistic

Edwards:  too bad 

Dean:  not running / unrealistic choice

 

Reality bites Seashell, but you have a future in the Arts!;-) 

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By seashell on Apr 25, 2008 12:24 AM EDT

first time in decades to turn the Democratic Party progressive and you bail

casting a ballot is such heavy lifting

sheesh

Phil, I'm voting the down ticket.  Maybe ya'll didn't know that...not that it's any of your business.   I'm voting progressive all the way to dogcatcher.  :-)  We have to get rid of Smith and my district needs a new and good progressive...

BO/HC is the ticket that can beat McC IMO.  

Did you hear the awful stuff that's already starting about BO?  The new repug ad?  It's horrible.  McC has severe anger problems, likely from childhood, and he's going to displace his rage against BO or HC. Count on it.  It's not even ugly yet...look at what they did to Max and Tammy (is that her name)?

  

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 12:35 AM EDT

Phil

thank you for the Obama/Labor link 

very much!

Excellent job by Barack.  I hope this is but the first(!) repeated speaking events with Labor for Sen (President) Obama.

wOOt! Mr Obama.  (insert Listener's wOOt train)

And, the notion of drowning the voice of the American people with "distraction" is part of the narrative from (before) now thru November!   

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By sandy m on Apr 24, 2008 8:50 PM EDT

I want to know how McCain can let them smear Obama.  Wasn't he smeared by Bush 8 years ago?  Something about McCain having a African-American girlfriend or something?

Also why isn't Clinton standing up for Barack?  Sorry that was a dumb question.

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By seashell on Apr 25, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
paine, I've accepted long ago that BO would be the nominee.  OK, so I'll vote for him in the gen'l.  No biggie for me.  We'll see how he does.

You forget Kucinich and Dodd.  

I know all about reality. 

I hope Gore takes it at the convention...but I don't expect it...so I won't be disappointed.  Get it?

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT

SuperK is Kucinich

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 12:45 AM EDT

Wow, Richard Lewis was ver good on Countdown

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By seashell on Apr 24, 2008 8:46 PM EDT

Richard Lewis was on Keithie and he was GOOD.

What's with the critters saying no health insurance?   What the **** is going on after hours and hours listening to them about health care? Is this a wake up call telling us that neither HC or BO will have any power in this area.

My god, we're so toast.  Throw all of them out.

Grab your brooms and shovels. 

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Apr 25, 2008 12:47 AM EDT

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

Judge Halts Spraying for Light Brown Apple Moth in Santa Cruz County

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By seashell on Apr 25, 2008 12:47 AM EDT

Wright on "Verdict" dissing BO....coming up.

Good god, we're eating each other. 

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By seashell on Apr 25, 2008 12:48 AM EDT

Richard Lewis was on Keithie and he was GOOD.

What's with the critters saying no health insurance?   What the **** is going on after hours and hours listening to them about health care? Is this a wake up call telling us that neither HC or BO will have any power in this area.

My god, we're so toast.  Throw all of them out.

Grab your brooms and shovels.

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By sandy m on Apr 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT

rd,

Thank you for your post on Paul Bucha.

Here in Salt Lake a very nice man from Salt Lake who had served in Afghanistan and was due to return there introduced Michelle.  Wish I had paid better attention and remembered his name.  He was so inspired by Obama that he sought him out.  He went to Chicago at the beginning of the campaign and offered to help in anyway he could.  His speech was very powerful.

I wish all of America could see these devoted military men. 

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By seashell on Apr 24, 2008 8:50 PM EDT

Dissing was not my word but the word of s/o on Verdict.

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 12:51 AM EDT

Get it?

Sure I get it, dawlin'.  You are an artist.  

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OK, so I'll vote for him in the gen'l. 

I thought this line was very artistic, and I have induced you to STATE TO BFA that you have shed Hillary for Barack.

Don't be no indian giver.

 

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 12:53 AM EDT

Wright on "Verdict" dissing BO....coming up.

Good god, we're eating each other.

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Sea, turn the channel, as I have done.

or paint something. 

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 24, 2008 8:56 PM EDT

Danny,

pardon me, but I forgot the date you gave for FIXing the blog.  

could you give us an update?

 

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By puddle on Apr 25, 2008 12:56 AM EDT

How many states have this cross-over thingie?  Lots of room for mischief and we know the repugs are good at that.

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I'd hazard a guess that every state in the union allows you to change your voter registration. . . .  Question is, how long before an election?   New Hampshire, I believe, you can change as you walk in the door.  In WV, it must be done 30 days before the primary. . . .

 

Voters — Am I Registered? Am I Registered

Enter your first name, last name and date of birth below to search for your registration information. If you have any issues or questions, please contact your County Clerk's office. If you would like to register to vote, click here.

Am I Registered?
  1. First Name:
  2. Last Name:
  3. Date of Birth:
    (Example: 12/18/1980)

JUSTINE JULIE LI Affiliation: Democrat Voting Status: Active Precinct Number: 11 Polling Place: RESCUE SQUAD BUILDING Legislative District Information House: 0047 Senate: 0015 Congressional: 0002

For more information please contact the PENDLETON County Clerk

 

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By mary vb on Apr 24, 2008 9:10 PM EDT

WSJ: Clinton will not be the nominee.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12089952...

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 12:57 AM EDT

freakin' DFA blog ef-up just pushed my last to #27.

And still we have no friggin' idear why. 

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By puddle on Apr 25, 2008 12:58 AM EDT

http://canivote.org/

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By sandy m on Apr 24, 2008 9:13 PM EDT

The blog is making me dizzy.

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 1:01 AM EDT

GEEZ

I noticed that Denice and Seashell posted comments which ended up there. 

 

Maybe NOW is the TIME for HEP to step back into the picture?  I don't know... 

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By puddle on Apr 25, 2008 1:01 AM EDT

 LOL!  Paine ~~ this afternoon, I watched a post of mine that started at 60 get pushed forward to the 100's. . . .

 

What I wonder is why the owners of this operation imagine they can be taken seriously when they can't run a simple blog?  And every time they try to improve things, they make it worse.  They're gonna worser theirselves out of exisitence.  The blog is the canary in the coal mine. . . .  

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By * rdorgan on Apr 24, 2008 9:16 PM EDT

9:17 PM EDT

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCjPc/commentary

Letter From West Virginia: "My grandfather is still hopeful'

By Christopher Hass - Apr 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pm EDT

Today we received a letter from a supporter in West Virginia, sharing her grandfather's experience in Johnstown, Pennsylvania:

I am writing to tell you about my grandfather in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. I read this morning, the dawn of the Pennsylvania primary, an article about the so-called age divide that has pervaded this primary election, with the Clinton campaign cleaning the pre-Internet, pinochle playing, elderly citizens of Pennsylvania and the Obama campaign sweeping the younger voting populations. I do not believe we, the American people, can be so neatly divided.

My grandfather, Frederick, 91, recognized a profound truth in Senator Barack Obama’s message of hope and exercise of change, a truth that for him transcended age, race, and even party lines. My grandfather has been a registered Republican his entire life. Even during these times, when the heavy weight of serious issues is upon us and our President has disheartened even those within his own party, my grandfather has sworn to go to his grave a registered Republican. Today, Frederick, 91, registered Democrat, is voting for Barack Obama.

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 1:03 AM EDT

OMFG

my last post jumped to the firsty position!  

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By * rdorgan on Apr 24, 2008 9:18 PM EDT

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rd,

Thank you for your post on Paul Bucha.

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You're welcome.  I'm hoping dog soldier catches the post too.

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By Imn2Paine on Apr 25, 2008 1:06 AM EDT

The blog is the canary in the coal mine. . . . 

I don't like saying this, but I am considering ending my monthly contribution.  Money is tight and I have other worthy organizations in need asking...  

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By puddle on Apr 24, 2008 9:20 PM EDT

McC has severe anger problems, likely from childhood,

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Story is, that when he'd get pissed as a little boy, he'd hold his breath till he fainted.  That what Bobby loved about Slugger: no wonder he adores McC. . . .  

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By mary vb on Apr 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT

I don't know where this post will end up but I think Barack's speech today hit just the right notes. I think we'll see more and more populism woven into his stump speeches.

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By puddle on Apr 25, 2008 1:09 AM EDT

HEP is alive and well, working on Commercial software with just a little tweaking by the genius owner-operater.  This place would do well to hire mainefem. . . . 

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Apr 24, 2008 9:10 PM EDT

It's the trampoline blog!

HEP is always to be considered :)

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