Dean and Obama is first - Hillary is second

Barack Obama is first. Along with Howard and Jim.

God Bless Barack and Michelle.

And George S. and Charlie G have lost all crediblity.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24955#comment-1188658

back track

Dean is first!

Hey Fred, how are you? I am so happy I get to do my first Caucus on Saturday to determine the delegates to Obama in the 3rd Congressional District.

Talk about an honor!!

A friend mentioned this book. http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Like-Your-Ha...

RIGHT BACK TRACK

other one was wrong - sorry

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24957#comment-1188664

Congrats linda b!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just do your best which I suspect is first class.

fred said (with typical loutish ignorance):

"Really?  You speak with such frivolous authority  - just to devalue my point.

Every item  at BO's website store says "UNION MADE IN USA"

Hillary's web site store does not say where her stuff is made."<<<<<<<<<<

standard Dem policy for 50+ years, fred.  Obama is a good Democrat.  Most folks here know that, of course

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cC, You are the one making ignorant assumptions without proof - I don't know if Hillary is or is not using union products and/or products Made in USA, but if she is, she would be a better Democrat (like Obama) to advertise the fact - telling millions of people we strongly favor domestic production, especially made by Union people.

The general assumption in the consumer market is that if it doesn't say "Made in USA," it probably isn't - a safer assumption than your assumption, that she is using American-made Union-made products but is simply not telling us.

It either case, Obama is doing the better thing - by using them and/or advertising the fact.

I do hope Jack Cafferty doesn't lose his job over this - he is one of the few honest and intelligent voices in the corporate media:

China snubs CNN apology over Cafferty remarks
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Apr 17, 7:37 AM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080417/ap_o...

Hey Fred, how are you? I am so happy I get to do my first Caucus on Saturday...

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Sounds great - sounds fun - this MCS condition really limits my activity in the presence of people and/or "unsafe" indoor environments in general, but I can do phone work around election time from my home.

Daily Kos can't handle the traffic. It is shut down. The debate last nite is causing a furor.

Go Obama

Been doing research into antennas for better reception when the broadcast tower changes occur with DTV

Had a dream last night that BO, HC and JM all were selling one antenna that gave you only one station - only remember JM station was the history channel.

I click on the Hernando Today link on the DFA staff's blog front because I recognized it as a Florida paper in an area where we own some other property on Florida's west coast.

I wasn't surprised to find the following info:

the opinions expressed in the paper's columns are from eight conservative, three independents and one liberal

Yet, the editor claims to be sort of bipartisan in their editorials (columns). This is in the area that gives Congress its hideous Ginny Waite-Brown. Florida has yet discovered a way to get rid of this witch.

Democracy For America is also mentioned. Seems we are all "radical" liberals because it is an aftermath of Howard Dean's campaign.

Danny, I didn't read every one of your links but I did see in the one to WaPo they referenced the Condi 30 second spot being on ABC last night. Was it actually on? I watched through every commercial and never saw it - just a 30 second black silence. Do you know if it actually ran?

Also, Patrick Briggs from previous thread - I apologize for being snarky to you - I think your pictures and post were great and it's wonderful the work you are doing. It's just there are some of us who blog here every day and we're a little borg like and it's usually newcomers who complain about our being 'on topic.' I know when I occasionally post a diary, no one ever comments on it. Anyway I apologize for my snarkiness.

I voted for Momma Bear and apple pie.

Hug a nurse...

 

14. linda b - I wonder if it's shut down or it is getting hacked - I tried to get on at work and there was some crazy diary about Fox commentator having someone jailed b/c he didn't want him to ask a question - it looked like Daily KOS but was just this crazy diary - and I know I typed in www.dailykos.com.

It would be helpful if DailyKos' Marcos would call on all its readers and contributors to boycott ABC for a month or two, in particularly Sunday morning talk show "This Week."

Another target should be Pat Buchanan, especially after his suggestive remark about deer hunting and shooting Obama. Pat's got to go, he's really beserk!

I have bloghog disease today - I thought it was downright funny last night in the debate when Hill started talking about how her granddaddy worked in a mill -- I was thinking 'Oh No -- son of a millworker all over again lol"

212-456-7777

Also: dial 818-460-7477 press 2 then 6 then 639

ABC NEW YORK NEWSROOM: (212) 456-5100 newsradio@abc.com Newsroom Fax Machine 212.456.5150

kos is back up

Susan,

I was ready to buy the mama bear with the flowers until I saw it was $59.95.

Yikes! No bear is worth that much.

I'll give anyone a real live diminutive Florida Black Bear for nothing if you just come get him/her and keep him out of our garbage can at night:))

Annilow

Thu, 04/17/08

Danny, I didn't read every one of your links but I did see in the one to WaPo they referenced the Condi 30 second spot being on ABC last night. Was it actually on? I watched through every commercial and never saw it - just a 30 second black silence. Do you know if it actually ran? 

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The ad only ran in Philadelphia, but it did run.  

Here is the ad:

Danny
Communications Director

Or email to:

Peter.Salinger@abc.com

Peter Salinger  is THE MAN IN CHARGE OF ELECTION COVERAGE

Tell them it's about the issues, not personal attacks, or whatever your thoughts are.

I have to take exception to Tom's position that a candidate for national office needs to stay within some pretty narrowly defined ideological fences so as not to alienate significant segments of the electorate.

I firmly believe that a liberal candidate with sufficient confidence and charisma can articulate a strongly enviromental, economically realistic, non-militaristic, non-interventionist program, defy the media to attack it, and triumph in a general election.

Obama did point out in his gentle way what the ABC goon squad was up to, which puts him up a notch in my estimation.

He's certainly the least objectionable of the 3 candidates, and one hopes, can be persuaded to abandon some of his more loathsome stands (like pushing coal, and unquestioning acquiescence to Israel's loony aggressiveness) once in office. I hope he follows through on his pledge to investigate Bush and his criminal cronies.

1:10 pm

...scribbled on note cards in the ABC prep-room:

Senator Obama, Senator Clinton has said that if SHE were a member of Reverand Wright's church and SHE had heard him say the terrible things he said, SHE would have gone all Terminator on his ass.

Why did YOU not go all Terminator on his ass?

• JeffLieber's diary :: ::

Senator Obama, in 1993 you got change at a tollbooth from a man who was later discovered to have killed a dozen people.

My question... why did you MURDER those poor people?!?

Senator Obama, have you always been this black and is it possible that you might get blacker sometime in the future?

Breaking News (I think):

Council member and newly elected superdelegate Harry Thomas Jr., initially a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, is announcing in minutes that he will cast his vote at the Democratic National Convention in Denver for Sen. Barack Obama.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC5Qp

One by one!

GObama!

I just gave $50 to Obama. Match it.

www.barackobama.com

NY Times April 17, 2008

Clinton Uses Sharp Attacks in Tense Debate

by ADAM NAGOURNEY and JEFF ZELENY
PHILADELPHIA — Senator Barack Obama found himself consistently on the defensive as he and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton met Wednesday night in a tense debate that left him parrying questions and criticism on issues including values, patriotism and his association with onetime radicals from the 1960s....Accordingly, Mrs. Clinton did not let an opportunity pass as she repeatedly challenged Mr. Obama on his record and views — assisted, as it turned out, by vigorous questioning by the two moderators from ABC News, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous.

The result was arguably one of Mr. Obama’s weakest debate performances....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/politics/17debate.html?th&emc=th

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What planet do these people live on??????

This is such bullshit - Hillary attacks, Barack does a great job of responding to her attacks and this is being "on the defensive"????

NY Times sucks

linda,

I also gave $$ to Obama yesterday and let my name & email address be given to the matcher. I received her name but haven't gotten any emails from her.

Anyway, it's nice to know you can double your money so easily:)

I sent  emails to both Jeff and Adam at NY Times expressing that fact.

jao wright - You're not alone with respect to your view that Hillary is tough. My mother in law is a devout Hillary supporter. My mom started with Hillary - became lukewarm to her but she still defends her and likes her *toughness*.

I think Obama is tough - but he's not a street fighter tough - he is tough and smart. I also think he's much more honest, deep thinking and a visionary. I don't those qualities in Hillary. I'm just tired of the politics of the past and the scorched earth practices. JMO

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Mary vb  Thanks for the response. I respect your opinion.  Obama will need to hone those toughness skills greatly, because you know what they'll try in the fall.

Sorry, Can't get rid of the bold, it comes that way. 

26. DFA Staff -- Danny, thanks for answering my question about the ad running last night. Glad to hear it wasn't blacked out.

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The debate was a Clinton campaign event throwing the kitchen sink at Obama but he still won it.

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Phil   Thanks for the response. He needs more of this thrown at him because he needs to handle it well if & when he's the nominee.  I don't want McCain to be elected.. We must stop him. 

ETHANOL AND FOOD PRICES

http://www.counterpunch.org/bryce04172008.html

The outrages of the ethanol mandates are growing by the day.

Last week, a study funded by American beef, pork and chicken producers estimated that the total cost to taxpayers of the corn ethanol mandates now exceeds $33 billion per year. That's equal to about $106 per American citizen. While the soaring cost of the ethanol are maddening, even more galling are the continuing claims by a group of ethanol apologists who insist that the ethanol industry is having no effect on food prices. Those spurious claims are being made at the same time that the World Bank is warning of a global food crisis and unrest is increasing in several countries due to soaring food prices.

Several factors are driving food prices higher including growing global grain demand, crop failures in other countries, rising energy prices, and the weak dollar. That said, its abundantly obvious that the ethanol apologists are denying reality. There's simply no question that the key variable in the food price equation--and the one that could have been easily avoided--is the ethanol scam.

The numbers tell a clear--and disturbing -- story.

Since 2000, the amount of corn used to make ethanol has increased nearly six fold. By next year, according to the National Corn Growers Association, some 4 billion bushels of corn--about one-third of the expected crop -- will be used to make motor fuel.

The soaring demand from the ethanol sector has helped push prices higher for all grains. Over the past two years, corn prices have more than doubled and soybeans have nearly tripled. Those soaring grain prices are likely to mean higher food prices for years to come.

Several studies have quantified the overall cost of the ethanol mandates. Last May 2007, Iowa State University's Center for Agricultural and Rural Development, released a report which estimated that the ethanol mandates have increased the food bill for every American by about $47 due largely to higher grain prices. The Iowa State researchers concluded that due to these higher food prices, American consumers are enduring a "total cost of ethanol of about $14 billion." And that figure does not include the billions of dollars in federal subsidies for corn growers or the $0.51 per gallon tax credit that goes to the ethanol producers.

1:35PM

jao

I believe that Obama is much tougher than you think. He hasn't had to be as tough as he can thus far. Judging by his "autobiography" "Dreams From My Father" he has lived one tough life.

McCain is a very weak candidate, so you will see the RNC throwing kitchen sinks as well. Obama lets them bounce off while continuing with his winning ways. He will put the gloves on if necessary however.

BTW in the physical areana, his stepfather Lolo bought Barry boxing gloves andtaught him to box when living in Jacarta after he came home with a black eye one day.

 didn't think ABC was unfair.  I thought  they were tough. I enjoyed the debate, but I don't  Have a major preference with the candidates. But I am leaning toward Hillary. I think she's tough. We need tough,imo

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"Macho" women get no more respect from me than "macho" men

My grandmother was a macho woman and it sucked - besides that, she was a male chauvanist, and many "tough" women are.

Fred:

The following link enumerates a dozen recent articles with a pro-Clinton, anti-Obama slant from the "Paper of Record"

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_dean_pow_080417_in_wake_of_scandal_2c_.htm

1:39pm

jao I agree that Hillary did well as she usually does in debates and that she would be a good president if she gets the nomination. However, I disagree about the way the debate went. All they did was ask 'gotcha' questions about Rev Wright and flag pins and all the other nonsense that has been hammered to death by the tabloid/MSM. Obama kept trying to get to important issues like healthcare and the environment and the economy but the 'moderators' kept it on a Disneyesque level IMO and one which favored Hillary. It was a stupid debate and biased toward Hillary.
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Annilow  Again thanks for the response. I agree they did ask some gotcha questions of Obama. Allready had lots asked about Hillary in previous debates,imo. He did well with his answers, but he needs to hone in his skills on this because they will blast him in the fall. I'm sure we can agree on that.

Have a great day & hope you got your health insurance taken care of. Seems I remember you were trying to make some decisions about that a while back. 

There's tough out of vanity and contempt

and tough from being forged with a tough life and tough challenges. 

Hillary has had a lot of priveleges, the least of which is being pretty, white and blonde, her toughness is vanity, IMHO -  she tries to be one of the folks with whiskey and guns, but it is all charade

The right wingers were right, she is tough, but in bitchy way, not a strength-of-character way.

My Obvervation is that Obama likes to keep his powder dry, and uses his proverbial shots in the most deadly time and manner.  Hillary is reckless.

According to TPM - 10MM people got their brains damaged last night watching the debate. The.most.watched.debate.ever. Guarantee that's all ABC cares about. Sickening.

...but he needs to hone in his skills on this because they will blast him in the fall....

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don't worry about Obama.  He knows what he's doing.  He's a big boy who can take care of himelf.

Hillary is the one to worry about.  She has all the characteristics and baggage to be portrayes as  somewhere between and "angry clown" and "happy witch", and Republicans have had years to caricature her.

Hillary only 'appears' tough when she's slinging mud - she whines like a spoiled child when it's aimed at her.  I think we've had enough of that crap.  Obama is strong without playing their game - and we'll never change the way Washington works if we insist on candidates who are skilled at 'playing that game'.  her ego is so much like Bush's - bold outrageous lies, never admit you're wrong, blame everything that goes wrong on someone else.  Hillary won't win against Obama or McCain - unless she finds a way to cheat.  you heard her last night - she wouldn't still be standing on that stage, in this race IF SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE THE BEST PRESIDENT.  she's staying in it until the end because her superior judgment tells her she is the best candidate and we idiots who voted for Obama are wrong.  she knows better than a majority of voters, of states, of delegates.......  she's always right so why don't we just go away and let her have her throne?!!!

sorry, jao - I agree that Obama needs to be 'tested' but this media-supported firing squad of hers is damaging the party.  it makes us appear that we're just like the worst of the republican hacks.  we, all of us,  deserve better than that. 

Hillary only 'appears' tough when she's slinging mud - she whines like a spoiled child when it's aimed at her. 

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touche!

re: The.most.watched.debate.ever

good - that means Americans had a good look at who has the strength, intelligence and grace to be  a great POTUS and who is just a whining little pol who CAN'T answer the tough questions herself.  and they saw what losers the moderators were.  she really had a pretty sucky debate - for her.  she's usually 'on' better than she was last night. 

she admitted she lied about Bosnia

she admitted Obama could win

she admitted the only reason she's still in the race is because she thinks she would be the best candidate - not that the voters thinks she's better - SHE thinks she's better.

the press may be having fun with that debate, but I don't see her gaining much traction from her performance.  I expect the republicans to start the meme soon that they NOW think that Obama is the one to beat - the same reverse psychology that they used on Dean when he was running.

are we going to play the same old game and get the same old results?

John wrote "I firmly believe that a liberal candidate with sufficient confidence and charisma can articulate a strongly enviromental, economically realistic, non-militaristic, non-interventionist program, defy the media to attack it, and triumph in a general election."

Okay, but we don't have any bionic candidates.  Who's closer to the candidate you're describing, Dennis Kucinich or Barack Obama?

Just like a woman

Queen mary, shes my friend
Yes, I believe Ill go see her again

Nobody has to guess
Hat baby cant be blessed

Till she sees finally that shes like all the rest
With her fog, her amphetamine and her pearls.

She takes just like a woman, yes, she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does

And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl.

-Bob Dylan

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+dylan/just+like+a+woman_20021234.html

ABC (Charlie and George) continue to be slammed.

Here's a sample:

"ABCNews, George and Charlie, thanks for helping to elect McCain. And for giving Hillary every opportunity to drag Obama down with her.You did exactly what Obama is trying to work against. It's very sad that you passed up this opportunity to let the candidates talk about issues. Real issues that matter.All the more reason for me to be pro-Obama '08."

And another:

"This debate was the worst debacle I've ever witnessed on a news network. As a journalism major who worked in the television industry, I've never seen such biased, offensive, and irrelevant questioning of a candidate. I thought I was watching Fox News, with debate questions being posed Obama by Sean Hannity and Pat Buchanan; I will never watch ABC again, and as a public high school teacher, I told all my students about how those muckrakers over at ABC put on the most horrific display of journalism ever in the history of television. I think George and Charlie should be ashamed of themselves-- they put Obama on the defensive, then afforded Clinton the opportunity to try to deliver the KO punch. Never seen anything like it !"

And it goes on and on with over 15,000 commentors so far most of them blasting ABC!

...but he needs to hone in his skills on this because they will blast him in the fall....

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don't worry about Obama.  He knows what he's doing.  He's a big boy who can take care of himelf.

Hillary is the one to worry about.  She has all the characteristics and baggage to be portrayes as  somewhere between and "angry clown" and "happy witch", and Republicans have had years to caricature her.

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Thanks for your response, Fred. However, I don't agree with  all the name calling on either side for either candidate. I understand you have  a lousy opinion of Hillary & that is your right . Many here, I know, share it. IMO, which I'm entitled to, she is trying to do something a woman has never been able to do. I respect her for that. She's smart & she's tough. Obama is extremely intelligent & I think is a truly caring person. If he's the nominee, I want him to win. If she's the nominee, I want her to win. In fact I'll even say, I like her.

Several factors are driving food prices higher including growing global grain demand, crop failures in other countries, rising energy prices, and the weak dollar.

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rural poor the world over are fleeing the inability to make a living growing crops because of low farm gate prices caused by America dumping its surplus on the world market, and rather than being able to feed themselves and others are ending up in the slums surrounding every major city in the world

the cure for this is higher prices

and they have to be more than enough higher to counteract the rising costs for inputs and transportation caused by the weak dollar/high energy intertwined effect

so America putting the surplus to any use other than the dumping of the last several decades is a good thing

well, well....

Until tonight's debate, I didn't really think Hillary Clinton would go so far as to attempt to sink the whole Democratic Party campaign in her struggle for power. But now it is clear that she has no limits. Barack Obama, attempting to take the high ground, gave her a pass on her despicable behavior.

The fact that she would drag up this pathetic red herring about Obama's alleged ties to so-called terrorist Bill Ayers (my brother!) brings her right down to the level of Fox News and the National Enquirer (which also suggested that Obama had murdered his gay lover). Obama needed to call this tactic for what it is: McCarthyism. This is the most base version of McCarthyism: Did you know this communist? When were you last with this communist? Did you denounce this communist? When did you stop beating your wife?

This desperate strategy marks the kind of Republican tactics of the Clinton camp. We always knew Bill Clinton was the architect of the Democratic Party move into a Republican stance on policy. Now these so-called centrist Democrats are imitating the take-no-prisoners tactics of the Karl Roves of the far right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-ayers-/clintons-mccarthyism-and_b_97220.html

I understand that Stephonapolus(sp) & Hillary did not get along when he was there in the white house. I don't think he's biased toward her as some suggestions seem to indicate.

I think all the uproar about the debate is because many who are strong supporters of Obama don't want to see him have to answer some tough questions. IMO, it's kind of like when someone accuses your child of a wrongdoing, the first reaction is to protect & deny. Why, I think because your emotions are so caught up that it trumps logic.

Oh well, I'm just one of those "women" who would probably be considered maucho, Fred. I stand up & fight for myself.   

jao - You absolutely are entitled to your opinion. Your gracious in your even-handed praise of both candidates. You don't trash anyone for supporting Obama like others who come here on occasion.

Your s/b you're.

jao wrote "If [Clinton]'s the nominee, I want her to win. In fact I'll even say, I like her."

This means you either have disregarded her vote to authorize the attack of Iraq, her leadership role in the DLC, and her antipathy towards Dean's role in the party in making your decision, or you agree with her with respect to those political leanings and policy choices.  I just wondered which it was.

Tom wrote:

Okay, but we don't have any bionic candidates.  Who's closer to the candidate you're describing, Dennis Kucinich or Barack Obama?

FDR was such a candidate. Alas, we don't have one this cycle.

Barack has the charisma, Dennis had the issues.

Where is Barack Kucinich when we need him?