Dean is First

So, Sitka, you thing most AAs know that bigots are afraid of them?  Do you also think that most women know that men are afraid of them and that's why their behavior is so obnoxious?

Do want to recommend this to your attention--

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/28/7956/ 

OK. regardless of Spitzer's personal foibles, this recitation of the history of predatory lending has the ring of truth to it.

In addition to not appreciating how far reaching the civil rights reforms of the late sixties were, we tend to overlook that, in addition to open government legislation and the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, there was a third leg to that stool on which ordinary folk took a seat at the table--consumer rights.

So, naturally, along with efforts to restrict civil rights and re-assert secrecy in government deliberations and actions, there 's been a reduction of support for consumer rights/protections.

For a long time, the opponents couched their opposition in terms of not wanting to give special consideration to previously disadvantaged populations--i.e. blacks and women--as if that somehow contradicted the commitment to 'equality.'  But, in fact, as we now see as an increasing percentage (the majority) find themselves abused and disadvantaged, the real agenda was to restrict the rights of everyone but the elite.

It's as if there was a silent determination that, if the populace insisted on equality, they could all be equally abused and deprived.  No longer would working class whites and European immigrants be facilitated in their upward climb; if they wanted to make common cause with African Americans and natives, they could expect to share the same fate.  

I'm still thinking of this as the "swimming pool solution" 

Hope, not Fear.

Jo

Do you really think these are the only choices we have?

No, not at all.

Will you supprt Obama if he gets the nom, regardless of who he selects for VP?

There's enuf talk about Sibelius that it's unnerving.  A heartbeat away from the presidency?  Have any of you vetted her yet, becuz after the choice is made, you'll not have any input.   I'd like both HC and BO to now name their VP choices and then let's take polls ...we should be able to influence their decisions and if BO really wants us to have the power  he'd give us some now.  We have to be able to imagine a Sibelius presidency. So, Jo, in answer to your question, I don't know.  I done a cursory check on her and didn't find much to qualify her to possibly be  prez. 

What did you hope to learn from the answers to these 3 questions?

Who still likes Al and who's open minded?

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Sebelius?  Wow!  I mean seriously, that is bonkers.  Sebelius?  Got a clue?

Well, that's what I think.

Well, paine, keep that thought and do some digging since she's apparently on the short list, altho that's not confirmed. 

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A BO/Dodd tickie still works for me too...most combos work except Sibelius.  That rebut after the SOTU was worse than awful.  And I heard her do a voice-over ad for BO here and then it was gone.  It was so flat, so monotone - she'd put the senate to sleep. :-)

I've had to watch so many good people I supported fall by the corporate wayside, that having to stomach Sibelius might just push me over the edge.

ABS

Oy me!  I s/b I've

Reposting since it's On Topic here.

HQ, you can't access these comments from the Front page, only from the Browse All page!

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Great pillow fight video! Maybe an idear for DemocracyFest? Bloggers vs. Staff. LOL.

Well,  this is interesting.

TX caucuses are happenin' today.

Watch Ms. Pinnnochio lose more delegates. 

And this....so what does this infer about her being VP when at odds with BO?

So now you have to take a side door to get into the comments?  That pillow fight idear sounds better and better right now.

You know what isn't talked about nearly enough?  That "Billary" thing.  It really bothers me that the Clintons don't even try to hide the fact that they plan to co-president if they are elected.  Bill is not about to be left behind while his wife runs the country.  I think more needs to be said about the 22nd amendment.  Early and often.

Then there's the BO/HD tickie which I like.  I don't think we need a woman unless MC chooses "who could have known" Condi.

So, Sitka, you thing most AAs know that bigots are afraid of them?  Do you also think that most women know that men are afraid of them and that's why their behavior is so obnoxious? 

I'm guessing you've known more than your share of bad men -- just like Rev. Wright knew more than his share of white bigots.

But neither of you should ascribe the worst in some people to everyone who shares some of their physical traits.

Then there's the BO/HD tickie which I like. 

Dean is out for the simple reason that he would be accused of having used the DNC chair to help Obama.

I don't think we need a woman unless MC chooses "who could have known" Condi.

Many are hell bent on Hillary just because of her gender. Obama would get their support by putting a woman on his ticket. He can also put KS or AZ into play by choosing Gov. Sibelius or Gov. Napalitano.  

i don't know that suggesting that bigots are actually fraidy cats is calling them bad.  LOL

Anyway, just popped in for a change from editing. 

I think you need a nuts and bolts person for VP who can move the President's wishes thru Congress. At the same time, don't lower the Senate majority.
We need someone not currently in Congress who knows how Congress works. The VP makes things happen.
I like someone from this list. No preference in the order.
Bob Kerry (Defense knowledge)
Bill Bradley (Int'l finance and can hit the "j" from the corner)Wes Clarke (Defense but is now a lobbyist)
Daschle (Former Senate Majority Leader but is now a lobbyist) Richardson (Latino vote and well experienced)
Tom Murtha (Defense but gets big pork dollars)

I like Janice Napalatano as Attn General.

new front thread that works

http://blogforamerica.com/view/24603#comment-1184103 

This economy has reallly got me spooked. I am actually about even since November and if the DOW dips below 11,900 am moving to cash. There are some good AAA bonds and CDs out there which will pay 5-6%.

sitka.....

That's a breaking stretch. Even the pundits say how neutral Howard has been. He has been impeccable, even to the point of saying he would not be taking any oversight over the rules committee. That is a non issue.

Dean took the job to be head of the DNC. He cannot run for Pres or VP. He promised not to run for Pres and there in an implicit pledge not to run as VP. In the middle of the campaign is not the time to change from DNC head to candidate.

Howard is at the right spot at the right time doing what he should be doing which is building a 50 state party for the future.

Bob Kerry (Defense knowledge)

The Hillaroid who smeared Obama's middle name and clamed he attended a radical muslim school? Get real.

That's a breaking stretch. Even the pundits say how neutral Howard has been. He has been impeccable, even to the point of saying he would not be taking any oversight over the rules committee. That is a non issue.

You don't have to convince me of it. But try convincing "batshit crazy" Hilladroids like LindaNM that Dean didn't sell himself out to Obama for the VP spot.

Dog soldier...

Your list looks to me like it's out of the DLC, K Street, and an ex Gen. who sold himself to the Clintons to take Howard down in '04.

Howard is the only one I think fills all the bill, and deserves it besides. The one that most of Europe was waiting for a "Howard Dean America. Hw knows how to get things done, and would be a working VP>

Howard is the only one I think fills all the bill, and deserves it besides.

That can be agreed with while realizing it ain't gonna happen. 

Sitka....

Well, a good start would be to stop calling names.

Linda is a good person who has been through the same political torment most of us have. The only two candidates I thought out of the bunch I couldn't stand...and guess what?

There are a lot of DFA people out there working for Obamb...delegates? We need to keep his name out there. If it goes to a 2nd vote, his name will be floating around the Convention.

Well, a good start would be to stop calling names.

You've been as abusive as any.

We need to keep his name out there.

You can promote Dean all you want to no avail. I'll continue talking objectively.

Nobody knows what the circumstances will be in Aug. Why the negative guessing? Others are persuaded by a positive picture.

Why the negative guessing?

You're promoting what you want. I'm just talking realistic politics as I see it.

And I think Dean would not be Obama's wisest choice from a political standpoint. As I've said several times on other threads as well, Napalitano or Sibelius would serve him better.

Sitka...

Sorry you think I have been abusive. I just don't think it's "objective" to be so sure of the future. That's more like defeatism.

If one's dreams are within the realm of possibility, Why tell yourself and others they can't happen?

Ssitka...

Napolitano and Sibelius could offer a very slight advantage in the Primary for those women who think it has to be a woman regardless of any other consideration. I think it would be a drag in the General elect. especially in an expanded war.

Thanks for the conversation.

The general election is where Napalitano or Sibilius would help Obama by attracting women voters who now want Hillary, and by putting thier GOP states into play.

Sorry you think I have been abusive. I just don't think it's "objective" to be so sure of the future. That's more like defeatism

Objectivity is looking at circumstances as they are rather than how you want them to be.

If I was trying to promote Dean as VP without really thinking it could happen, that would be defeatism. 

Good grief!  audrey?  Abusive?  Witty, yes.  And smarter than many.  Never abusive.  

Many voters love Gore AND Dean.  The combo would be so exciting for the whole world, not to mention what they could do together for our country.  We don't need Kerrey (remember the mock 9/11 commission)? and certainly no military unless they want totally outta the ME.

Sibelius is a joke.  Go google her...there's nothing there except KS, where BO's mother was from. There's more info on the net about her brother!   And she should be a heartbeat away from the first ever AA prez?

And what about JE?  (here comes Sitka ...scroll)   He'd make a fine VP.

And what's wrong with us having some hope after having hope thrown at us for many months?

The reason we're *stuck* with the two we have is becuz they are the corporate media choices.  Not hard to see that coming. 

dog soldier...

The 50 state structure has been set in place. Howard doesn't have to "run" for VP. If he should be picked however, he is free from any other political job. AsI said, the DNC would be happy to release him from the last few months of his reign. Anyone could oversee Howard's plan, it's all set.

Objectivity is looking at circumstances as they are rather than how you want them to be.

Then according to you, BO  supporters are not objective since hope and change are in the future that they want it to be.   

Seashell...

Hi, and thanks. some here are so timid about politics, and yet can be so aggressive about what they think they know about it.

Politics is somewhat tamer now than it used to be in many ways. Dem Party tricks caused Gene McCarthy to not be allowed on the ballot once.

I joined with the local UAW, and got the Comm. for an Effective Congress to give me legal advice, and I wrote a brief and beat the Party in court. You can't just say these things don't happen and not even try.

Still thinking I might like to try costa Rica for a while.







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audrey, you're one hell  of a woman.  :-)

Still thinking I might like to try costa Rica for a while.

I've also thought Costa Rica or a place in central MX.  Buenos Aires is too far and too big for my taste and I can always go there to dance.  But starting a tango studio in MX or CR sounds tempting.

I'm waiting to see who wins what and when.

Email me with your Costa Rica thoughts if you'd like.  

OK, so how do we get Howard into the VP slot?  Put him in a dress and gray wig?  LOL

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bbl becuz I'm off to paint for awhile.

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