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America Sees the Real Hillary: "You Go Girl"

Written by: Be Truthful on Mar 22, 2008 12:15 PM

I wrote a diary on mydd.com, "I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had Me At Solutions!" a few days ago where I talked about seeing through the enemies of Hillary's distorting and lying about of who and what Hillary is.  Corporate Media, well, I can't even say anymore all but pushing her opponent at any means, because we have seen exactly that.  Keith Olbermann has decided to use his show as a propaganda outlet to say anything against Hillary, as apparently his means to make the other candidate look better.   Recently even taking up with the hinting that maybe the Clinton's actually had something to do with Obama's passport information breach (does he even get embarrassed by his own actions?).  We find out Friday that Mrs. Clinton's passport information was breached as far back as last year, but of course that doesn't fit with his conspiracy theory.  Anyhow, I have learned that it isn't just me, but it is many other netroots across the country sharing (thank you for all the great comments you shared) in the realization of who the true Hillary is and what she has accomplished.  And we can only delight in knowing what she WILL accomplish as President of the United States.

But now it seems the rest of the country and voters are also in tune with that song (yet to be written) as reported from Hillary's recent visit in Indiana.

TERRE HAUTE -- According to her enemies and much of the national news media, Hillary Rodham Clinton is cold, robotic, calculating, vindictive and about as personable as surgical steel.

Tell that to Josephine Sullivan.

It's catching on!

Among a cluster of wheelchair-bound residents sitting outside Meadows Manor East to watch Clinton's motorcade pass by on Poplar Street yesterday, Sullivan could not have experienced a more warm or personal touch from the presidential candidate.

The fleet of SUVs braked to a halt for several minutes so Clinton could get out of her vehicle, walk over to the seniors, shake hands, pat backs, then lead the small crowd -- which included Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and a phalanx of Secret Service agents -- in singing "Happy Birthday" to the 99-year-old Sullivan. Delighted, Sullivan beamed but never dropped her hand-lettered sign that said, "You go, girl."

...here is your virtual TISSUE.

According to this story though, it wasn't even faith that Hillary would personally meet with them or stop, but just to get a glance of the woman they've learned is awesome and will be a great President, the first Woman President.  (We've had 43 Men Presidents, I think it's time for a Woman).  But they too were surprised.

try running the cold-robot characterization by 17-year-old South High School senior Hillary Newton.

With her father Chris, she was among about 120 Hauteans to line the tarmac fence at Hulman Field just to watch Clinton's ATA charter Boeing 737 touch down after a flight from Washington, D.C.

Politely advised by a national campaign aide that they would not get close enough to the New York senator for a good look -- "She'll be landing way out there. You have a much better chance to see her at the Saratoga diner ..." -- Newton and the other folks chose to stand in the chill morning air anyway "to be a part of history." Their patience was rewarded.

After Clinton deplaned via a stairway gangplank, she eschewed her waiting Chevy Suburban and walked with Bayh to the 12-foot-high chainlink fence. Smiling, laughing, looking people straight in the eyes, she worked her way down the line, signing photos, T-shirts, blank pieces of notebook paper and a 1986 poster of the Arkansas State House that had been signed by her husband when he was governor.

I can feel the excitement they were all experiencing in these words written.

And the day only got more exciting.

All along Clinton's campaign trail in Terre Haute, it was hard to find anyone who was buying her negative national image - certainly not Jackie Bishop, who joined a crowd of at least 1,000 in the parking lot behind the Saratoga with hopes of grabbing just a glimpse of the woman who wants to be commander in chief.

Sporting a homemade sign that proclaimed, "I GOT A CRUSH ON HILLARY," Bishop said she had taken the day off from her job as a cashier at Wal-Mart to come downtown. Her sign featured 11 photos of Clinton.

"Bill is supposed to be in these two," Bishop said, pointing to a pair of pictures, "but I cut him out. Not because I'm mad at him, just because it's her sign."

Like the women and men at Hulman Field, Bishop's perseverance paid off. After an hour-long session with local residents inside the Saratoga and a media Q&A with Bayh outside, the two senators climbed upon a small, portable stage and addressed the sun-dappled audience in the parking lot.

With a vigor and enthusiasm that made it all sound brand-new for new sets of ears, Clinton repeated many of the things she had talked about inside the restaurant. When she asked the crowd, "Who would you hire ... to do the toughest job in the world?" the people shouted back, "YOU!!!"

One last hope for company in the Hillary Haters club might have been expected from local news media. After all, journalists everywhere usually can be counted on to hike their cynical legs and pee on almost any politician. Alas, not in Terre Haute.

MSNBC's Chris Matthews has opined of the Clinton campaign, "I think her press relations are lousy." But, like so many aspects of American life, perspective from inside the Washington Beltway is often worlds apart from that of the rest of the country.

Good to their word, the Clinton people provided one-on-one interviews for every Hoosier TV and print reporter who had reserved a slot. Nobody with a notebook or camera was shoved, shouted at or made to feel like inconsequential scum.

Time and again, Clinton focused her blue eyes -- made more blue by the deep sapphire-colored pantsuit she wore -- on the reporter at her side. She listened to questions, thought about answers and engaged in a way that belies the astronomical number of times she has been queried and grilled about every element of her existence.

Over and over, local journalists remarked on her "surprising" warmth, natural manner and graciousness.

But, hey, what do we know? We don't hang out on Capitol Hill, dine with presidential aides or call members of Congress by their nicknames. We're just everyday people who live in "fly-over country," Terre Haute, Indiana, one of a zillion stops on the long, grueling campaign trail of Hillary Clinton.

Is it possible that the Corporate Media might  catch up to the rest of the country?

...stay tuned.

Here is the link of the excellentt article on Ms. Clinton's visit.  Drop the Journalist, Ms. Salter, a line to say thank you for a great job on reporting!

STEPHANIE SALTER: Stop the presses -- Hillary is a real human being

By Stephanie Salter

The Tribune-Star


http://www.tribstar.com/opinion/local_story_080235028.html

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By Ronald Cloud on Mar 22, 2008 4:34 PM

Remember that primary voters yet to cast ballot are first.

Howard Dean is first also.

 Delegate apportionment formula is nowhere near first. 

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 22, 2008 5:10 PM

“The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his [her]deception, the one who lies with sincerity” ---Andre Gide(French writer, humanist and moralist, 1947 nobel prize for literature, 1869-1951)

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(New Book) The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power (May '08)

http://jeffsharlet.blogspot.com/2008/02/...

"Just when we thought the Christian right was crumbling, Jeff Sharlet delivers a rude shock: One of its most powerful and cult-like core groups, the "Family," has been thriving and even drawing in Democrats like Hillary Clinton. Sharlet's book is one of the most compelling and brilliantly researched exposes you'll ever read-- just don't read it alone at night!"

--Barbara Ehrenreich, author of Nickel and Dimed, Bait and Switch, and Dancing in the Streets

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Where the Money Leads

Media Transparency follows the money fueling the right-wing movement, to show how conservative philanthropies, through their tax-exempt funding strategies, shape public discourse.

The big givers include Milwaukee's Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Smith Richardson Foundation, and the Scaife, Koch, Coors, and Walton family foundations. They alone have poured $28 million into the American Enterprise Institute. That kind of money buys a lot of "experts."

With coordinated giving on a grand scale, they've led the way in funding a movement to radically alter the social, legal, educational, media, political and religious landscapes of the United States, building a supply-side machinery for implementing a hard-right agenda.

Media Transparency follows their money and what it buys with a unique database -- 50,000 grants to 9,000 recipients for $3.5 billion -- and 60 to 70 original articles per year that connect the dots between the money and the movement's radical public policy goals. .... http://www.mediatransparency.org/whereth...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 22, 2008 5:20 PM

environmentally blue

Joined DFA on: 01/30/08

Zip Code: 33167 Miami, FL

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What would somebody from FL ever know about being a Hooiser?

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This is a repost from the mydd blog.


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By Susan Rowe on Mar 22, 2008 5:25 PM

Photo by Susan Rowe taken at Woody's Bar & Grill in Lapel, IN

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 22, 2008 5:52 PM

Consultant spending saps Clinton campaign By: Kenneth P. Vogel

Feb 21, 2008

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Clinton last month doled out $15 million to a cadre of trusted political hands, mostly based in Washington. Photo: AP

Hillary Rodham Clinton started the year flush with cash, but by the beginning of this month, she'd blazed through most of it — spending $11 million on ads, $3.8 million on messaging guru Mark Penn and $1,300 at Dunkin' Donuts, to name just a few expenditures — leaving her campaign woefully unprepared for an extended battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.

About $15 million — or more than half of the New York senator’s January spending — went to a cadre of high-priced consultants. Though much of the cash went through the campaign media buyer for ad time, the considerable payments to outside consultants mark an increase in a pattern that has irked campaign insiders. From the beginning of the race through the end of last month, Clinton paid the consultants $33 million — nearly one-third of the $105 million spent by the campaign.

That provides some of the back story behind Clinton’s staff shake-up, her public appeals for campaign cash in the past two weeks and even her string of 10 straight losses to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama since Super Tuesday, Feb. 5.
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She simply did not have the cash to compete in the post-Feb. 5 states, mostly because her campaign spending blueprint was built around two flawed premises: that no one would be able to match her fundraising and that the nomination would be decided on Super Tuesday. ...full article: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/020...

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Hillary Campaign "In The Red" By Greg Sargent - March 21, 2008

The latest FEC reports appear to suggest that the Hillary campaign may be in the red:

Despite a strong month of fund-raising in February in which she brought in $35 million, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton finished the month essentially in the red, once her campaign’s outstanding debts are factored in, as well as her personal loan, according to filings submitted late last night to the Federal Election Commission.

After spending about $31 million in her efforts to keep up with Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton finished February with more than $33 million in cash on hand, but $21.5 million of that is earmarked exclusively for the general election, leaving her with $11.7 million for the primary.

Mrs. Clinton, however, loaned her campaign $5 million earlier this year and she listed $8.7 million in debts to various vendors, making clear why she has not yet paid herself back from her loan.

It should be noted, however, that Hillary isn't obliged to repay the $5 million debt to herself. Nonetheless, even factoring in that, once you subtract the other debts her cash on hand number would be in the neighborhood of $3 million.

By contrast, Obama has over $30 million on hand for the primary.

Here's where this really hurts: With the super-delegates. The Clintons' fundraising prowess has been one of the factors convincing the super-dels that this race isn't over and that they should wait out the contest. Revelations like this one could make it a good deal tougher to make this case. ...full article: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm...

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Clinton Campaign Entered This Month in Debt by Jonathan Singer, Sat Mar 22, 2008

For the second straight month, Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign has found itself in the red. Here's The New York Times' Caucus blog (via Greg Sargent):

Despite a strong month of fund-raising in February in which she brought in $35 million, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton finished the month essentially in the red, once her campaign's outstanding debts are factored in, as well as her personal loan, according to filings submitted late last night to the Federal Election Commission.

After spending about $31 million in her efforts to keep up with Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton finished February with more than $33 million in cash on hand, but $21.5 million of that is earmarked exclusively for the general election, leaving her with $11.7 million for the primary.

Mrs. Clinton, however, loaned her campaign $5 million earlier this year and she listed $8.7 million in debts to various vendors, making clear why she has not yet paid herself back from her loan.

Doing the math, when you count the debts and obligations owed by Clinton (including to herself), her campaign is about $2 million in the red. Even when Clinton's peronal loan to her campaign is taken out of the mix, the campaign had just a net $3 million in the bank entering the month of March. While these numbers represent an improvement from the previous month, when the Clinton campaign was a net $3.6 million in debt, they still raise questions about the continued viability of the campaign at a time when the delegate math for Clinton is going from bad to worse. ... http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/22/0443...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 22, 2008 6:13 PM

Supporters of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign filed signatures to qualify him for the May 6 Democratic primary and a number of Indiana legislators have endorsed his campaign, according to state campaign chairman Kip Tew. A significant portion of the entire Lake County delegation - Reps. Chet Dobis, Charlie Brown, Linda Lawson, Mara Candeleria Reardon, Vernon Smith and Sen. Earline Rogers - have endorsed Obama. A number of Indianapolis legislators - Reps. John Day, John Bartlett, Vanessa Summers, Greg Porter, William Crawford, Jeb Bardon - are also on board. In southwestern Indiana, the list includes Sen. Lindel Hume and Reps. Dennis Avery, Phil Hoy and Dave Crooks. And in the South Bend area, those endorsing Obama include Rep. Ryan Dvorak and Sen. John Broden. The endorsement list indicates significant Obama support in the 1st (Northwest Indiana), 2nd (South Bend), 7th (Indianapolis) and 8th (Southwestern Indiana) Congressional districts.

More Hooiser endorsements for Obama
Vice Chairwoman of the Indiana Democratic Party Cordelia Lewis-Burks (superdelegate)
Democratic National Committee member Connie Thurman (superdelegate)[1

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 9:45 AM

Hoosiers opened their wallets widest for Obama in February
By MAUREEN GROPPE
Gannett Washington Correspondent

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is now the top recipient of Hoosier dollars in the presidential race, according to the Federal Election Commission.

Obama raised more than $197,000 from Indiana in February, the most of any of the Democratic or Republican candidates and enough to push Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., out of first place for total dollars raised from the state. ... http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dl...

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Clinton-Obama race could affect local turnout By LARRY RILEY

...The primary might help Democratic governor candidate Jill Long Thompson, a former congresswoman. Those who opt for Obama over Clinton might balance their mental ticket by pulling for a woman as state chief executive, and those pushing for the first female president might do likewise for Indiana's top job. ... http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dl...

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The Obama controversy
NEIL STEVENSON
Muncie

March 18 is a day that should be remembered. Not as a defensive stance toward media coverage on the controversial words of a pastor, but as a moving speech by a forward-thinking man on an issue that has been avoided by most politicians throughout history. Sen. Barack Obama did not do what most politicians would have done and throw a longtime friend under a bus at the first sign of controversy. Instead, he has shown the American people an ideal candidate we should be proud to elect into office.

Everyone who believes he should have disowned a friend of 20-plus years over a disagreement in beliefs illustrate nothing but hypocrisy at its finest. Anyone who would do such a thing, should be ashamed to call themselves a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, or any other religious affiliation. Go back, read the words that speak of love, hope and how you should project that personality even toward those with whom you may not agree. If this pastor is a man who is "like family" to Obama, who are we to say he should turn a cold shoulder? Could you turn your back on a family member, on a lifelong friend? I highly doubt it.

Obama's words have challenged us to take a look at our progress on issues of race and prejudice. Sadly, we have not come all that far. Let us hope that Obama is elected, because he is the ideal candidate to help bring about the unity that the American people desperately need. ... http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dl...

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By Tom Bearse on Mar 23, 2008 3:06 PM

environmentally wrote "I didn't realize posting on a political blog that required membership could risk my home, life and existence."

Believing your existence is now at risk from posting on this blog site is as credible as thinking Clinton would make a high quality president on the basis of breezy, anecdotal, human interest vignettes.  Here's your virtual reentry pass back to reality. 

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:25 PM

The Tale of Bosnian Sniper Fire (TRAILER)

Coming soon to a superdelegate near you: Hillary in Tuzla.

It's an unbelievable tale of heroism, written and directed by Mark J. Penn.

The Baltimore Sun calls it a "whopper."

"Four Pinocchios!" says the Washington Post.

"Requires enormous suspension of disbelief" raves the Huffington Post.

see the trailer HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:26 PM
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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:33 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDoBarack Obama: 'A More Perfect Union' (Full Speech)
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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:36 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo

Barack Obama: 'A More Perfect Union' (Full Speech)

 

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:37 PM
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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:39 PM

bloggies video upload feature isn't working.

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 4:53 PM

First a Tense Talk With Clinton, Then Richardson Backs Obama By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JEFF ZELENY

PORTLAND, Ore. — “I talked to Senator Clinton last night,” Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico said on Friday, describing the tense telephone call in which he informed Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton that, despite two months of personal entreaties by her and her husband, he would be endorsing Senator Barack Obama for president.

“Let me tell you: we’ve had better conversations,” Mr. Richardson said.

The decision by Mr. Richardson, who ended his own presidential campaign on Jan. 10, to support Mr. Obama was a belt of bad news for Mrs. Clinton. It was a stinging rejection of her candidacy by a man who had served in two senior positions in President Bill Clinton’s administration, and who is one of the nation’s most prominent elected Hispanics. Mr. Richardson came back from vacation to announce his endorsement at a moment when Mrs. Clinton’s hopes of winning the Democratic nomination seem to be dimming.

But potentially more troublesome for Mrs. Clinton was what Mr. Richardson said in announcing his decision. He criticized the tenor of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. He praised Mr. Obama for the speech he gave in response to the furor over racially incendiary remarks delivered by Mr. Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

And he came close to doing what Mrs. Clinton’s advisers have increasingly feared some big-name Democrat would do as the battle for the nomination drags on: Urge Mrs. Clinton to step aside in the interest of party unity. ....

... The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton’s allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. “An act of betrayal,” said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.

“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.

Mr. Richardson said he called Mrs. Clinton late on Thursday to inform her that he would be appearing with Mr. Obama on Friday to lend his support.

“It was cordial, but a little heated,” Mr. Richardson said in an interview.

Mrs. Clinton had no public schedule on Friday, and spent the day at her home in Chappaqua, N.Y. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, played down the importance of the Richardson endorsement, suggesting that the time “when it could have been effective has long since passed.”

full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/pol...

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By Tom Bearse on Mar 23, 2008 5:49 PM

There's this quaint, interesting phenomenon that occurs at myDD.  A Clinton supporter drafts a diary that goes on and on with anal obsessiveness regarding news about Obama's connection with Rezko or Rev. Wright.  Because these stories are artificially inflated by the 24 hour news cycle fixation on petit details in the absence of real news events, the myDD diaries are reams of purple prose, related in breathless tones, about essentially nothing that hasn't been otherwise examined, explained, and discarded as trivial.

Then an amen corner of Clinton acolytes go to work recommending the diary, thereafter adding their comments that ernestly parrot the diary points.  It happens with astonishing regularity, and its commonly the same, usual suspects involved in this handiwork.  The comments are replete with indignant protestations that they could never vote for Obama before McCain and so on, all of which help demonstrate how little these individuals, in fact, adhere to the foundation of principles that have people like Howard Dean working for a Democratic victory in November.  In other words, readers are treated like idiots.

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 5:07 PM

NAFTA and Hillary Clinton's credibility problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFuA0z4kK...

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Clinton Trumpeted NAFTA In 2002 DLC Speech by David Sirota: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-siro...

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Hope In the Time of NAFTA

Reading articles about Hillary Clinton attacking NAFTA can lead you to believe The Onion has taken over America's news bureaus.

Clinton spent the last 10 years repeatedly praising the trade deal in speeches, most recently calling the job-killing accord "good for New York and America." ... http://www.creators.com/opinion/david-si...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 5:13 PM

Paul Rogat Loeb: Obama & Clinton: Who's More Likely to Confront Global Warming? http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24069...

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Paul Rogat Loeb: How Much Damage Will Clinton Do Before She Folds?

...she [Clinton] could cost the Democrats the election by forcing Obama to spend his time responding to an endless succession of petty attacks, and by giving the Republicans ready-made talking points, like Hillary's comment that only "one of us is ready to be commander in chief."

The potential damage is magnified if you count Clinton's surrogates. At the Youngstown, Ohio rally following Clinton's Wisconsin defeat, International Association of Machinists President Tom Buffenbarger called Obama supporters "latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies." That's despicable rhetoric, echoing the worst Limbaugh/Fox myths about limousine liberals, while it dismisses the majority of union members who just backed Obama in the Wisconsin and Virginia primaries, or the members of unions like SEIU, The Teamsters, and the United Food and Commercial Workers, who just endorsed him. It also happens to totally steal its language from the sleazy "latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading" anti-Howard Dean ads of the right-wing Club For Growth, that helped give us the disastrous candidacy of John Kerry.

If repeated enough, though, those myths have the potential to stick. Clinton supporters have just created a new "527" political committee, which while technically independent and issue-oriented, is explicitly designed to allow Hillary supporters to evade the standard $2300 donation limits. The group aims to get contributions of $100,000 or more from as many as 100 Hillary donors, so they can pour $10 million in ads into the next round of critical races. Whether or not this is legal, and that's arguable, no other candidate has done anything remotely similar in this election. And since the ads have no checks of accountability, they'll be as nasty as their backers decide. ... full article:
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23962...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 5:31 PM

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environmentally blue
Sun, 03/23/0

It's Mrs. Rowe. And it will be 25 years this coming June.

My hubby and I were born and raised in Anderson, Indiana. We still have lots and lots of family and friends who live there.


Have you ever visited Indiana? Our State Parks and rivers are very beautiful.

Mounds State Park: http://www.in.gov/dnr/parklake/propertie...

http://www.andersontownpowwow.org/

http://photos.placesphotographed.com/v/i...+014.jpg.html?g2_GALLERYSID=9dc3a7443e930306d7762bbb060d85ef

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 5:37 PM
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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 5:57 PM

Obama playing well in Indiana by Barry Welsh: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/12/...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 6:00 PM

Honor from Edwards group.by Barry Welsh

Wed Feb 27, 2008

Monday night, the Edwards Evolution Next Revolution group, formerly know as Edwards Evening News Roundup, the group of Edwards supporters that showed such heart and passion in support of John Edwards, endorsed our campaign here in Indiana and the campaigns of Gilda Reed and Larry Kissell. ... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/27/...

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 23, 2008 11:26 PM

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environmentally blue
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Now it's Chair Rowe.

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By Imn2Paine on Mar 23, 2008 11:25 PM
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By Imn2Paine on Mar 23, 2008 11:33 PM

Nick Lowe - Failed Christian

I'm a Failed Christian
I dont go to church
I smoke and I drink
and I lie and I curse

it never got to me
your sermon and all
you talked and talked
about nothing at all

I'm a Failed Christian
Failed Christian

I've got two recollections
taking the collections
and tears when the choir
sang in harmony
It scared me half to death
I swore as I left
with a inside pocket full
of change and memories

I'm a Failed Christian
Failed Christian

I'm a Failed Christian
I've got my own church
I pray with my soul
to this great universe
all over the world
the bloods on their hands
religious instruction
I can't understand

im a Failed Christian,
Failed Christian

I'm going to meet my maker
a firm beleiver
of spirit in music
theres a prayer in a song
I'm a Failed Christian
amd if I'm go under
them you're coming with me
that much I can't tell

I'm a Failed Christian
Failed Christian

I'm a Failed Christian
I dont go to church
I smoke and I drink
and I lie and I curse

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By Imn2Paine on Mar 23, 2008 11:37 PM

Nick Lowe - The Beast In Me

The beast in me
Is caged by frail and fragile bonds
Restless by day
And by night, rants and rages at the stars
God help, the beast in me
The beast in me
Has had to learn to live with pain
And how to shelter from the rain
And in the twinkling of an eye
Might have to be restrained
God help the beast in me

Sometimes
It tries to kid me that it's just a teddy bear
Or even somehow managed
To vanish in the air
And that is when I must beware
Of the beast in me
That everybody knows
They've seen him out dressed in my clothes
Patently unclear
If it's New York or New Year
God help the beast in me
The beast in me

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By FRED from OR on Mar 23, 2008 11:40 PM

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Sun, 03/23/08

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Re FRED from Ashland #19:
The reason Israel embargoed Gaza had little to do with who the Palestinians voted for. It had everything to do with the constant violence in Gaza...

#29:
It isn't true that Gentiles are excluded from attaining Israeli citizenship. Many already have....

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I think your information is false, or at least outdated. That's not what Cook says and he lives there. The belief that non-Jews can simply apply for citizenship is a myth. Just two weeks ago there was an article in the NY Times about how hard it was for Jews in America (especially non-orthodox) to prove they were Jews, when they try to immigrate.

Palestinian citizens are not allowed in police or military service. They spin this as a "benefit"

They are 1/5 of the population but have only one rep in Knesset.

Their land is always selected for confiscation "for military purposes."

The great fear is that Palestinians will "out populate" Jews.

A new law prevents Israeli citizens from bringing into Israel a Palestinian spouse. Israeli human rights groups call is rascist.

Before that law, Cook says, "naturalisation through marriage offered the one and only legal route to Jewish citizenship." He never mentions any five-year route in his book.

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By FRED from OR on Mar 23, 2008 11:41 PM

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Phil Donahue said that we don't hear from the "no war Jews" because of the media. I figure it's like hearing nothing but Cheney's version of America. What's the point of arguing what we can't verify?

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There is plenty of unbiased open coverage of Israel in Europe. It is only the American MSM with the filters.

The war right wing is killing Israel too. The only reason they still talk about a two-state solution is because behind the scenes the right talks about deporting the Palentinian citizens as a trade-off for removing the settlement from the WB. A extremely painful transition for the Arab citizens and the settlers, not to mention for Pat Robertson, John Haggee, and CUFI who all believe the WB is Samaria and Judea, as embedded in scripture.


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By FRED from OR on Mar 23, 2008 11:46 PM

It is an obvious fact that Hillary is the one on the offensive in this campaign, especially when it comes to inventing issues like "plagarism" and other insidious innuendos. Obama talks by far more about the issues, and beating Bush III, and seldom about Hillary, except to response to her garbage attacks.

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By Imn2Paine on Mar 23, 2008 11:46 PM
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By Imn2Paine on Mar 23, 2008 11:54 PM

Good sleep, when you go -  I go, now.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Mar 23, 2008 11:54 PM

There's 2 threads going on... just let the other folks know :-)

Still have a touch of the flu but doing a-ok and will travel in a couple days.

environmentally blue ~ while respecting your views on HC, my opinion is the 'real' person they see is liked less and less.

12:08 am est

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Mar 23, 2008 11:54 PM

HI/bye Paine :-) Sweet ones.

12:10 am est

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By mary vb on Mar 24, 2008 12:08 AM

Just for a change of pace - this is the You Tube winner.

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/...

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By mary vb on Mar 24, 2008 12:13 AM

Syntax is familiar with eb.

Nite all.

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By puddle on Mar 24, 2008 1:09 AM

Susan, I've looked and looked for the join dates of this "barrage" of Hill lovers, and can't find them. Where the heck does one?

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By David A. Stevenson on Mar 24, 2008 12:23 AM

I judge Hillary Clinton  - not by the expression on her face - but by her own words, by the words of her greatest ally and supporter - her husband, and by the contributor list of those who fund her campaign.

When I look at the fact that Barack Obama has surpassed the one million mark of individual contributors and the small average donation of those contributors - I am reminded over and over of the closeness I felt then ( and continue to feel ) for Howard Dean because I was ( and am ) Howard Dean's special interest.

Likewise - I am Barack Obama's special interest.

12:33 a.m. Monday EDT.

And, as always, . . . . . . .

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 24, 2008 12:24 AM

Title IX Awards Raise Colleges' Bias Liability Run

By Viv Bernstein WeNews correspondent

A string of jury awards in Title IX cases at Fresno State, part of California's state university system, should serve as a warning sign for other schools. But women's sports advocates say the legal battle is far from over, as a case in Florida shows. ...lots more girl talk: http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?a...

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Front Page article Fresno Bee

Home fans don't see Fresno State on TV
Reason unclear, but most were shown other game.

By Jeff Davis / The Fresno Bee
03/22/08

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- Most viewers tuning in to watch Fresno State in the Women's NCAA Tournament on Saturday got another basketball game instead. ... full article: http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/47918...

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By David A. Stevenson on Mar 24, 2008 12:26 AM

It seems to me that it's almost as hard to find rock-hard Hillary Clinton supporters as it is to find those phantom "Hillary Clinton bashers" in the media which she talks about ad nauseum.

If she would stop looking so hard for enemies, maybe she could find a few more friends.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Mar 24, 2008 12:24 AM

LOL, puddle.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Mar 24, 2008 12:26 AM

::waving:: David :-)I know one HC supporter, that's it.

12:41 am est

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 24, 2008 12:31 AM

puddle

Search on the DFA-link under people here: http://www.dfalink.com/search_profiles.p...

Enter the person last name.

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By audrey.nc on Mar 24, 2008 1:18 AM



Environmentally blue.....

I your thing is Corporate owned gov't. DLC big money campaigns in 15 states instead of all states participating, and you supported Hillarys efforts to take down Howard Dean, well then I just don't know where you've been or what you are doing here.

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 24, 2008 12:32 AM

person s/b person's

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By puddle on Mar 24, 2008 1:18 AM

LOL, puddle.
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No lol! They keep showing up, spitting this stuff out, and are never heard from again. . . .

Sort of like counterfeit money. . . .

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By audrey.nc on Mar 24, 2008 1:19 AM



That would be If your thing.....

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By FRED from OR on Mar 24, 2008 12:30 AM

Heard on Sunday news program that according to a poll 20% of Obama supporters would vote for McCain if Hillary ran, whereas almost all Hillary supporters would vote for Obama. That should tell you which side the venom is coming from.

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By sunlight on Mar 24, 2008 12:33 AM

Incredible.

Hillary in a blue dress? On the main thread post? Wow.

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By puddle on Mar 24, 2008 1:26 AM

Thanks, Susan! ♥

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Mar 24, 2008 12:47 AM

Aha - I misunderstood your post about finding signup dates as you looking for go see HC dates, which would be LOL ;-)

howdy sunlight, a beautiful color blue dress. Incredible it is!

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By David A. Stevenson on Mar 24, 2008 12:57 AM

No doubt Oler will show up next with a glowing endorsement for Senator Clinton - then revert to Junior John McCain during the general election cycle.

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By David A. Stevenson on Mar 24, 2008 1:01 AM

I onc