First............Nader never made anyone vote for him.........lets cut the crap

Howard Dean is first.

Howard is always and ever first.

 I share the concern in this article and wasn't going to post it, but it's already in the NYT.

New York Times: Concerns for Obama's Safety
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022508R.shtml
According to Jeff Zeleny of The New York Times, "There is a hushed worry on the minds of many supporters of Senator Barack Obama, echoing in conversations from state to state, rally to rally: Will he be safe?"

Democrats need to be progressive enough in their platform so no one feels a need to vote for Nader, and then him being on the ballot doesn't matter.

Wolfson probably pocketed a large fee for this one.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Hillary and her high-priced gang keeps taking shovels and digging her hole deeper. 

What the press does is kick folks when they are down.  Hillary is down and the pack is decending on her.

Not only do I not want the choice of Nader on my ballot, I don't want anyone else to have it either.

The Democratic Party needs to spend whatever resources it takes to keep Nader off of ballots instead of concentrating on beating McCain.

I like Nader's record of public service, and his values and proposals agree with me completely, but I think he's the rottenest person since Hitler for giving some people an alternative to vote for. 

And of course, everyone knows that if Nader had not run in 2000, the Bush Mafia wouldn't have simply stolen however many votes it took to seize power. 

Go Ralph. 

Ralph is still unsafe at any speed.

As Phil said, if Dems can cover his arguments then Nader is done until 2012.

I've worked with the Secret Service closely a couple of times and they are consumate pro's, seashell, you probably take bigger risks flying to Argentina to go dancing. Obama is well protected.

Won two Academy Award http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23978#comment-1173058

If you really worry about the likes of a Nader put in IRV ballots and invite his participation.

C-Spn now--Obama.

Good that he's seriously stressing early voting in OH.

People can be so lazy--we'll see if they actualy *do* vote early.

Democrats need to be progressive enough in their platform so no one feels a need to vote for Nader, and then him being on the ballot doesn't matter.

And most who have voted for him probably wouldn't have even turned out to vote for Gore/Kerry anyway.

Democrats should either do as you suggest and co-opt his platform, or ignore him as the GOP ignores Libertarians.

But it's just dumb to keep letting someone so electorally insignifigant be the Democratic Party's Mobey Dick.

Ralph is still unsafe at any speed.

As a reaganaught, I'm not surprised that you belittle an accomplishment that every American owes Nader a debt of gratitude for.

owes Nader a debt of gratitude for.
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Paid that debt already. Long time ago. Sometimes you just gotta think up *new* good things to do, or it's just coasting all the way home. Ralf's been coasting for a good while now.

Somebody said the Dem Party should spend as much as possible to keep Nader off the ballot.

In '04 a woman staffer from the former Dean campaign and a staffer from the Kerry campaign and another person teamed up to do just that.

When Howard heard of it he said that was wrong.

If you think it is OK to keep a Dem off the ballot, then you must think it was OK for the Party to sink Howard's campaign.

What are you doing on this blog?

Nader has long since become irrelevant. This is about him and his ego now. He doesn't do his homework about the candidates positions on issues and then rails against them because they don't walk lockstep with him. 

He's grown sloppy and irritating in his arguments. I only hope the media will give him equal time with others who command less than .5% of the popular vote. Lyndon LaRouche-type coverage. 

Simply ignore him. 

Mr Nader was born in Winsted, Connecticut, in February 1934, the son of Lebanese immigrants.

After studying International Affairs at Princeton University in 1955 and graduating from Harvard Law School three years later, he moved to Washington, where he continues to live in a modest apartment.

His website says he "was taught by his parents that social activism was a civic duty".

He has spent most of his life fighting for consumers and workers against corporations.

In the 1960s his work on car safety led directly to seat belts and shatter-resistant glass being fitted in every American car.

From the 1970s he built a reputation for dealing with issues including workers' rights, public safety, the environment and the influence of corporations.

He founded a number of groups including Public Citizen, which in recent years has been active in organising protests against the World Trade Organisation and World Bank/IMF.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/americas/2000/us_elections/profiles/810188.stm

The new term: doing a Naderite.
Definintion: Running for office all by yourself. Not being serious.

I still have the same complaint about Nader as I had 4 and 8 years ago.

If he was really serious he would have started a team, an organisation. How else do you think you could win? All by yourself? Nader has become an old man. Like McCain.

Of course, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be on the ballot if he fulfills all legal requirements.
Do you give Americans so little credit that they can't see through his charade?

Ralf's been coasting for a good while now.

That's a new one. Of course, Ralph would say with some justification that he is the one who began the growing awareness of the DLC corruption within the Democratic Party and even provided much of the reform rhetoric of Howard Dean.

So, as you see, we here have even more than Nader making our cars safer to thank him for. We needn't vote for him, but we also needn't act like a lot of paranoid ingrates because of his candidancy.

Paid that debt already. Long time ago.

My sentiments! Thanks puddle.

Sitka wrote "And most who have voted for him probably wouldn't have even turned out to vote for Gore/Kerry anyway."

It's certainly necessary to hope so, because as long as we're dealing in probabilities, it's probably safe to assume that none of them would have marked Bush as their second choice on an IRV ballot. 

SUSA will be releasing TX polls in approx. 18 minutes (8 PM PST)

Early voting has favored Obama very heavily.

Too bad BO and HC won't co-opt Nader's message.  It would be smart.  If they both did it tomorrow night, the CM would be running in circles....can't throw both of them under the bus!

There are so many chances for these two to be true progressives. 

Hillary is down and the pack is decending on her.

The next I shed a tear for Marie Antoinette, I'll shed one for Hillary too. 

"As of right now US economic growth is at zero," he said, adding the longer it stayed this way the greater the risk of a deep recession.

Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch have both forecast that the US economy will contract in 2008.

The US Federal Reserve has said 2008 growth will be between 1.3% and 2%.

The forecast, made last week, was half a percent lower than the Fed's previous estimation.

The gloomy outlook was blamed on falling house prices, reduced bank lending, turmoil in the financial markets and higher oil prices.

More gloom?

Mr Greenspan also predicted that booming oil prices, which reached a record of more than $101 last week would keep rising and that the US housing market would see more misery before the tide turned

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7264135.stm

I guess it's now obvious why Greenscum didn't want another term at the Fed. He saw it coming. But instead of sticking around to deal with it, he kept his reputation and handed the ball off to Bernanke -- who must love having the former star of the economy now in the broadcast booth contradicting him.

cChal if you're lurking....I had to run off after posting on the last thread. But not for a Cosmo, unfortunately. Next best thing, though - a facial up at LaBelle in the City, compliments of Loews hotel group. There is a big meeting planners convention at Moscone the next couple of days so they are all in town.

Off to watch Raisin in the Sun, just coming on here.

bbl

Obama up in TX Susa poll!!!!!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

What drove Hillary over the edge?

In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Monday, 50 percent of likely Democratic primary voters said Obama is their choice for the party's nominee, while 46 percent backed Clinton.

Is Ohio now in play for Barack? With reports like this it is.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=771

Rally with ll,000 people with buses taking attendees directly to the polls. Genius. They are simply outplaying Team Clinton

Links aren't working. Strange

TX Susa

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

Puddle if you're around can you email me cChal's email address?

Thanks :)

Sitka wrote "And most who have voted for him probably wouldn't have even turned out to vote for Gore/Kerry anyway."

It's certainly necessary to hope so, because as long as we're dealing in probabilities, it's probably safe to assume that none of them would have marked Bush as their second choice on an IRV ballot. 

While that's good reason for IRV, it isn't much of one for the Democratic Party to waste resources and goodwill trying to keep Nader off ballots.

Audrey apparently didn't see the tongue planted firmly in my cheek. 

Sitka, you mean that was you she was referring to - asking you why you are here?

Is that another way of suggesting someone leaves the blog? Hmmmm......could be just that.

How ironic.

Do you give Americans so little credit that they can't see through his charade?

Don't know if I'll vote for Rolf, but I'm glad he'll be reminding Democrats who will listen just how far they need to go to free their party from corporate bondage.

In the polling I've seen, Obama is winning a large majority of Independents & republ. ( 80%) who have been voting in these dem. primaries. Majority of them are men. Don't you think that most are not voting for Obama, but against Hillary? And if that's the case, will they vote for Obama in the general or McCain. Right now a poll shows McCain ahead against Obama by 1 pt. ,so it's very close.

You know, the media thinks Obama walks on water. Granted he's run a really good campaign. But why didn't he take time to go to the large Black group in Louisiana over the wkend. He was invited along withall the other candidates. The only one that went was Hillary. No mention of that in the press, that he was too busy to attend. 

Sitka, you mean that was you she was referring to - asking you why you are here? Is that another way of suggesting someone leaves the blog? Hmmmm......could be just that. How ironic.

The irony is that she was asking why I'm here because she didn't understand that I was using sarcasm to agree with what appears to be her opinion. 

Nader,

Thanks for everything good that you've done.  You have had your influence on the current Democratic platform as intended.

Now, sit down and be quiet.

Also, Unbelievable Counterproductive:

"At this time, an additional nine percent of likely Democratic primary voters intend to vote for John Edwards" (in Ohio) What??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/17/ohio-primary-latest-news_n_86925.html 

Thanks for everything good that you've done.  You have had your influence on the current Democratic platform as intended.

Now, sit down and be quiet.

Well! That isn't a very "progressive" attitude now, is it?

And you'll be taking your own advice when? 

You know, the media thinks Obama walks on water.

You know it's over when all that's left is parroting an SNL skit. 

You know it's over when all that's left is parroting an SNL skit. 

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If SNL did a skit & had that included, then I can only say, they are right on & being pretty darn honest about what's going on.

I'm worried about the general election. I don't want a republican. We can't take another 4 yrs. of that crap. 

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jao Wight
Mon, 02/25/08


I'm worried about the general election. I don't want a republican. We can't take another 4 yrs. of that crap.
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May I suggest then you vote for Barack?

jao Wight
Mon, 02/25/08

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In the polling I've seen, Obama is winning a large majority of Independents & republ. ( 80%) who have been voting in these dem. primaries. Majority of them are men. Don't you think that most are not voting for Obama, but against Hillary? And if that's the case, will they vote for Obama in the general or McCain. Right now a poll shows McCain ahead against Obama by 1 pt. ,so it's very close.
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You need to stop reading Hillary's press releases, jao. At my caucus we had many Republicans ENTHUSIASTICALLY supporting Barack. They love the guy.

NEW THREAD.

A diarist at Kos is calling the Clinton campaign the Clintanic.

Why are repugs allowed to vote in dem primaries?  There could be some mischief afoot.

What's wrong with JE supporters voting for who they want to in their primaries?  What did ya'll expect?  He's the progressive.

So it's a tight race between BO and  JM?   What about between JM and HC?

There's idle gossip about Romney coming back in.  

If Hillary wants to stay in the race, tomorrow night she needs to tell the world how they voted almost the same ... and the exact same on prolonging Iraq, spending our money and allowing more people to be killed.   Perhaps it wouldn't help her, but it would tell the states still voting that there's little daylight between the two ...she should just out and say, "he was against the war before he was for it." And then cite bill numbers. Her campaign people  are advising her poorly and she should be challenging his statements that he's  the anti-war candidate.  Perhaps she could also say that she's the peace candidate.  (I'll send her a bill for services rendered)  LOL

I'd like to see a brokered convention with neither of them winning.   

In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Monday, 50 percent of likely Democratic primary voters said Obama is their choice for the party's nominee, while 46 percent backed Clinton.

Is that the same poll in which 24% of those 50% said that they feel he's not ready but they'll vote for him anyway?  I think that was discussed on MSNBC today.

New Thread.

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