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A CALL TO FELLOW DEMOCRATS:
A CALL TO FELLOW DEMOCRATS:
Hillary Clinton was working on the articles of impeachment for Nixon when Obama was in elementary school. She has devoted her life to politics and believes in the political machine as a vehicle of change, she is the best candidate for presidency. She voted to authorize Bush to use force if necessary, a vote based on mis-information, and one that preceded Obama's election to the Senate. There is no way of knowing how he would have voted. Since this vote, Hillary has worked to pass legislation to ensure health care for returning soldiers and to improve their equipment on the battlefield. Senators Hillary Clinton and John Edwards were the only democratic candidates for president to participate in a conference on global issues and sustainability in Los Angeles. Obama was noticeably absent. Hillary is funded by some corporations and lobbyists, this is preferable to the Nuclear and Coal interests funding Obama. I believe our planet is in dire straights. Could Obama pursue a moratorium on Coal? I am particularly sorrowed by my fellow women. Obama is handsome, charismatic, and maybe he even exudes an aura (I have seen him in person), but these are criteria for prom kings not presidents. If we truly want to stand for change, why not do something unprecedented and be the thirteenth country to vote a woman into leadership. You are voting for Hillary, not Bill, don't punish her for his indiscretions. Get involved, send money, write letters, hound super delegates, STAND FOR CHANGE, or do you really want McCain in the Whitehouse?
Jenny Noble
High School Science Teacher
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Obama reigns first here also, with his terrific wins in 21 states -- so far. Hillary has conceded Hawaii and Wisconsin next week.
Obama/Edwards 2008
Well, we're the equal opportunity progressive organization. I welcome diverse views, whether I agree with them or not.
Although I'm not a Clinton supporter (yet), I do think she is a strong person with independent views. Calling her "billary" is a sexist act.
Tom wrote: Is it possible, and likely, that it was simply because it was better for him if people believed that indeed he did?
No.
The proof is that it wasn't better for him. You have no evidence that Edwards was so opportunist. Repeating the same deceptions doesn't make them true. IMO, Edwards had a change of heart, apologized and has never looked back. Until something happens to make me doubt his sincerety, I'll stick to this position.
I haven't changed my view on the war. I attended rallies against it before it happened, I ran for Congress against the war and I'm still against it. True. Edwards changed to fit with my view. And he had the best withdrawal plan of the top three. No combat troops. Both Clinton and Obama will be chasing AQ around for years.
Indy wrote "[1] Until something happens to make me doubt his sincerety, I'll stick to this position. [2] I haven't changed my view on the war. I attended rallies against it before it happened, I ran for Congress against the war and I'm still against it. True. Edwards changed to fit with my view."
If this is a good faith response to my question, then suit yourself. In my opinion, [2] above fully satisfies the degree of proof sought in [1].
Is anybody here really interested in the the Roger Clemens trial?? MSNBC and CNN -- all day today -- coverage. What gives? Does anyone care whether this guy used steriods or not?
What about Iraq? What about Afghanistan? What about Congress? Darfur? Poverty? The homeless? The economy? The huge debt? Oil prices? Home foreclosures? Storms in the NE? The primary elections?
They'll be digging up Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson for steroid testing next. Anything for a diversion from those things that really matter.
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Indy Steve
Wed, 02/13/08
...Both Clinton and Obama will be chasing AQ around for years.
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Oh, sure either one will try, but that doesn’t mean they’ll able to.
Money can be printed some more, of course, but not without any limits..., lol.
Our ever vigilant Congress, the Super Delegates all, are now voting on congratulating the NY Giants on their win in the Super Bowl.
They can't take up Impeachment, because it would take time away from important legislation.
Tom Bearse
Wed, 02/13/08
So obtuse. it always takes me three times reading to get your point.
Edwards changed his positon on the war, which was aligned with mine. He apologized and showed policies that reflected that talk. He hasn't done anything to reverse those policies or stances.
Why do you doubt someone when they walked the talk. I'll change my view on Edwards if he shows he was being opportunistic. But my sense he was genuine.
I'm outta here until Stevie Wonder and Tom Terrific simply agree to disagree and let it go at that.
bbl
I'll add this. Changing your position on the war from support to opposition, in and of itself, is to be lauded without reservation. I really don't have any quarrel with this at all.
However, contrast what Edwards did while he was running twice for the Democratic nomination for president, for example, with what Rep. Wayne Gilchrist and Rep. Walter Jones did. Two Republican House members who voted for the war resolution, they were the only two Republicans in the House to vote to override Bush's veto on the supplemental funding measure. Those votes are not endearing them to the party base who are going to decide their political fate. I think there's no room to question the sincerity of their change of heart about the invasion.
Indy wrote "So obtuse. it always takes me three times reading to get your point."
Don't you hate that?
House fails to pass a 21 day extension of FISA, vote was 191y to 229n.
They are now taking a fifteen minute vote on adjourning. Not sure when they will be back,...the 25th or so, I thought I heard. This is WEd. isn't it? They must be tuckered out.
4:40 pm EST
Reading this blog -- or trying to -- is something like a tilt-a-whirl, roller coaster, and fun house all rolled into one. I'm going to stop pleading with HQ to fix it, and simply begin (at considerable cost to my own karma) sending various and sundry curses their way. Off to the store to buy black candles.
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linda b
Let it die for sure. But the blue dogs in the Senate will help defeat the extension.
More evidence as to how much we need to have about a dozen new truly progressive Senators elected next Nov.
At least 21 Rethugs are up for reelection or are retiring. This is the opportunity of a lifetime to grab at least a bunch of those.
It will also be a good time for some good progressive to beat out Landrieu, Baucus, Pryor and Rockefeller on the Dem side.
Dean: "The voters have to speak first before people like me get involved "
10(ish). puddle
LMAO!
Joan* In*Florida
Wed, 02/13/08
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linda b
Let it die for sure. But the blue dogs in the Senate will help defeat the extension.
More evidence as to how much we need to have about a dozen new truly progressive Senators elected next Nov.
At least 21 Rethugs are up for reelection or are retiring. This is the opportunity of a lifetime to grab at least a bunch of those.
It will also be a good time for some good progressive to beat out Landrieu, Baucus, Pryor and Rockefeller on the Dem side.
ARE THERE BLUE DOGS IN THE SENATE????
Our Superdelegates are now voting on National Engineers Week. No time for Impeachment, or even settling FISA. Are we feeling fleeced yet? Baaahhh.
I don't know if this has already been posted while I was away today:
February 13, 2008Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign manager backs ObamaPosted: 12:15 PM ET(CNN) — CNN has confirmed that David Wilhelm, Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign manager, will endorse Barack Obama’s presidential bid Wednesday afternoon.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/13/bill-clintons-1992-campaign-manager-backs-obama
Super delegates liked the idea of National Engineers Week, they all voted for it. Now they can go on vacation with a clear conscience.
They postponed Impeachment and passed important legislation for the people. Baaahhh
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ARE THERE BLUE DOGS IN THE SENATE????
linda,
I was surprised to see them referred to as Blue Dogs as well, a term that has usually been associated with the House.
But I guess that what they are and the term fits them well, though I don't know of any specific group they have formed as they have in the House.
OOPS, thought they were going home. The Super Delegates are now debating, and will probably take a vote on recognizing the activities of the NAACP. They seem to be on a roll....I guess that's why they call them Super.
I don't look for John Edwards to endorse anyone. It wouldn't be in his interest.
5:08 pm
Because the candidates' actual platforms are so similar, the race has become about five things:
1) race and gender,
2) minute differences in health care policies,
3) who can beat McCain,
4) Iraq, and
5) the economy.
Clinton is trying to hammer Obama on #2, but compared to what the Republicans have to offer, either Democratic health care plan is huge progress and probably neither of them will be passed as is. Obama should hammer Clinton more on #4, partly to ramp up how that will become a big theme of the campaign against McCain (he's got to work out his lines on it now). The differences are so slim that the press is resorting to the race and gender politics between them, which is pretty awful, I think.
I think that Hillary and McCain are probably the candidates in this campaign who are more likely to be "ready to be president on Day One".
However...they're ready to be crappy, sub-optimal presidents.
George W. Bush was ready to be president on day one of his second term. His father was ready to be president on day one of his only term. Neither of them were good presidents. Being ready is not the same thing as doing a good job.
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February 11, 2008 | 5:46:15 PMCategories: Cash Rules Everything Around Me, Paper Pushers & Powerpoint Rangers, Politricks 
The Air Force can't make due on $144 billion a year. The service is telling Congress it needs nearly another $19 billion for fiscal year 2009 -- including about $1.7 billion worth of extra fighter jets.
Earlier this month, the Office of Secretary of Defense sent lawmakers its core budget for the next fiscal year. (War costs are funded separately.) But even that massive, half-trillion package - one that's been called "as good as it gets for defense contractors" -- doesn't grant each and every item on the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines' wish lists. So each service submits to Congress an array of "unfunded requirements" that it wants lawmakers to pay for.
This year, the Air Force's list is particularly long -- and particularly pricey. At $18.75 billion, it's more than two-and-half-times what the Army and Marines are asking for, combined.
Some tardy member is holding up the important business of the Super Delegates, and they are restng while they wait for him to arrive.
I wonder if the Supers would pass a resolution recognizing the work of DFA. We did just send them a brand new member. Wonder if they've heard yet.
puddle and audrey,
Thanks for the laughs, a bright spot in this so far otherwise rather blase thread
Everybody wants to be a super.
When I was a girl, the super actually did useful things like making sure the furnace was working, the garbage got picked up and the stair-wells were clean. I always thought that if the public housing buildings had the same level of service, the tenants would be quite content.
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Indy Steve
Wed, 02/13/08
... Calling her "billary" is a sexist act.
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I think it is a pisser, just funny.
...and Maureen Dowd would seem to agree
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/opinio...
But seriously folks, ergo, you would have to say it was sexist for her to take Bill's surname.
Are those household engineers they're honoring?
Jennifer Noble tip toed around the Iran vote, the resolution labeling their elite soldiers, "terrorists"
5:30 pm
Obama needs to change some attitudes amongst his campaigners. He needs to stop the Hillary-hating contingent from going too far.
It's getting pretty tired of the escalated level of hate going back and forth between Hillary Clinton supporters and Obama supporters on blogs and message boards online.
While I think it's a minority of the electorate, I think if Obama cannot unite the democratic party when this is done, his message will be deemed to have failed.
The thing is that Obama's running on a campaign of inclusiveness, hope and bringing people together...it's incongruous with his campaign to be pushing other people away, and I think the Obama supporters are becoming a little too "our guy or it's goodbye" like.
Hillary would be an ok president who would keep things going with the status quo, making few changes .
Not great and not desirable, but she'd be much better than McCain would be. But Obama would be better than either of them.
5:33 pm
posted after 43.
Ah. the congressional Supers have passed a res. authorizing the placement of a 15x17 inch bronze braille American flag to be placed at Arlington for the benefit of our blind veterans.
Nobody spoke to the idea of bringing our troops home before they become blind.
Excuse my French, but WTF?
Humanitarian gear delivered to China
The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Feb 12, 2008 19:37:05 EST
BEIJING — An Air Force C-17 cargo plane and crew from Hawaii delivered thousands of jackets, blankets and boxed rations Friday to help victims of China’s worst winter storms in more than 50 years, the U.S. Pacific Command and the Chinese government Xinhua News Agency reported.
The supplies were handed over in Shanghai to the People’s Liberation Army, which forwarded them for distribution to parts of the country’s hard-hit eastern and central regions, Xinhua said.
Maj. Gen. Qian Lihua, head of foreign affairs for the Chinese Defense Ministry, said the transfer would “promote the friendship between the two peoples and the two armed forces.”
The U.S. military has promoted such exchanges to build confidence between their armed forces.
It also follows a period of tension over China’s refusal to allow port calls by U.S. Navy ships in Hong Kong in November, apparently due to Chinese anger over Washington’s arms sales to Taiwan and a decision by the U.S. Congress to grant its highest civilian award to Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
The U.S. aid was worth $820,000 and included 6,000 winter coats, 1,657 blankets and 87,552 ration packets, Xinhua said.
In a brief notice on its Web site, the U.S. Pacific Command said it coordinated the delivery of aid supplies, which were delivered by members of the 535th Airlift Squadron and 15th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, both based at Hickam Air Force Base, said U.S. Pacific Command spokeswoman Amy Derrick-Frost.
Fleas, cockroaches, earwigs, pinkeye, and frogs in their underpants. Now, I'm done.
Bush said "we will have no permanent bases in Iraq". We don't call any of our 470 or so bases around the world PERMANENT. That's the way it "is" is.
I wonder if one of the bobbing talking heads will point out tonight that it's all in the name.
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Monica Smith
Wed, 02/13/08
The Air Force can't make due on $144 billion a year. The service is telling Congress it needs nearly another $19 billion for fiscal year 2009 -- including about $1.7 billion worth of extra fighter jets.
It's the gas that's killing them. They need hybrids with propellers that charge their batteries when they slow down and land. :)
Who is Jennifer Noble?
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Jennifer Noble joined DFA-Link today. She's written this 1 blog post.
These people are delusional--
Airmen perform unique mission in Iraq
Airman 1st Class Sarah Coble plays with children Feb 10 who are visiting family and friends detained in the Theater Internment Facility at Camp Bucca, Iraq. Airmen deployed to the 886th Expeditionary Security Forces Squadron operate the TIF's vigorous visitation program which houses detainees who have been determined to be a security threat against Iraqi citizens or coalition forces. More than 1,700 friends and family members visit the detainees each week. Airman Coble is an 886th ESFS member deployed from Keesler Air Force Base, Miss. (U.S. Air Force photo/Capt. Jason McCree) Download HiRes
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by Capt. Jason McCree
386th Air Expeditionary Wing Public Affairs
2/12/2008 - CAMP BUCCA, Iraq (AFPN) -- While the spiraled rows of concertina wire, countless watch towers, and endless miles of fencing resemble that of detention facilities throughout the world, for the more than 600 Airmen deployed to the Theater Internment Facility at Camp Bucca, Iraq, the mission is unlike anything they've ever done.
The facility, nestled in the Southeast corner of Iraq, appears much the same from the outside as any other detention facility; however, inside it is much different, its guard force, a joint team comprised of Soldiers, Sailors, Iraqi correctional officers and Airmen, as well as the detainee population, set it apart from most facilities of this kind.
Charged with the safe and humane treatment of detainees determined to be a security threat against Iraqi citizens and or coalition forces, Airmen assigned to the 886th Expeditionary Security Forces Squadron support the Army's 300th Military Police Brigade.
While the Army maintains the facility's command and control, it takes a joint effort to carry out detainee operations.
Wow, if Jennifer Noble already is on the defensive about Hillary, imagine how busy she'll be explaining things away once she got into office. Sorry Jennifer, but Hillary has a lot of 'splainin' to do. And if you think we would just be voting for Hillary and not Bill, well, I do believe you are deluding yourself. Sorry.
Wow, if Jennifer Noble already is on the defensive about Hillary, imagine how busy she'll be explaining things away once she got into office. Sorry Jennifer, but Hillary has a lot of 'splainin' to do. And if you think we would just be voting for Hillary and not Bill, well, I do believe you are deluding yourself. Sorry.
puddle - LMAO
BO is in S. WI talking about trade. My goodness, is he just realizing that there's a problem? According to AAR, he's blaming Bill Clinton. I'd have to read the speech to verify that.
Being a chameleon is not doing himself any favors.
Last I heard, we still have some free speech in this country, but maybe not on this blog. Welcome, Jennifer Noble.
I think free speech still exists as long as it's about sports or who's diddling whom. Maybe our critters will spend some time passing a Right to Pee Bill.
Thanks, Audrey. LOL
Jenny Noble
I'm a voting member in several feminist's organizations and on several of their state and local listservs where there has been and continues to be a HUGE degree of male bashing going on ever since HRC entered the presidential race. The feminists rage regarding the male presidential candidates that was shown was shameful and very eye opening. It was and still is totally disgusting and childish immature behavior. Several wonderful members in very good standing have left the organizations because of it. Several women who had endorsed ABH were demonized and ridiculed publicly. The rampant calls for membership rules to be change was outrageous. HRC was only one candidate out of the many these organizations had endorsed for this election cycle. HRC is not the only one that matters in this election and her camp needs to take a reality check on that fact.
p.s. You should of heard what they had to say when Oprah endorse Obama.
MY LETTER TO JIM DEAN ON THE LATEST EMAIL FROM DFA ASKING US TO PRESSURE SUPER DELEGATES INTO OBAMA'S COLUMN:
I am VERY disturbed by your last email asking us to essentially go after Hillary Clinton by trying to pressure Super Delegates. Don't you think that starting this so early is going to lead to trouble and bitter division far ahead of the convention! I think Mrs. Clinton could most certainly make the argument that the caucus wins under Obama's column are probably NOT representative of how the state would have voted in a primary! Are you ready to open the door and include Hillary's wins in Michigan and Florida delegate? That TOO is a "process" question isn't it. I've listened to the activists in this state and while THEY are overwhelmingly rabid Obama supporters, the popular vote in this state went impressively into Hillary's column. THIS is a very bad move on the part of DFA and is going to end up doing more harm than good. I hope you reconsider this foolishness! I for one feel as though this country is being force fed an Obama mandate by a compliant media and powerful hidden interests! This force feeding reminds me of when GWB II was elected and I don't like it! I think DFA should be above these kind of divisive tactics. For God's sake, it's ONE DAY that Obama has been in the lead on pledged delegates. Are you people that out of touch! Linda Wade
former DFA coordinator
Linda Wade, can you post the actual letter from Jim Dean? I havn't received it (yet?)
The whitest Wonder Bread state in the nation pulled for Obama.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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"Tell him to meet me in Texas. We're ready." - Hillary
Kind of sounds like Bush talking.
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Linda Wade - Lol. Sour grapes about the caucas huh. I say go Jim Dean, go get those delegates.
btw, IMHO I don't think the feminist movement in this country is ready for a female to be president. It's just not their time.
To my knowledge, anyway, today is the first time ever that Obama has held the lead in the RCP Average for the national poll at Real Clear Politics. He is at 44.6 and Clinton is at 44
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By Joan* In*Florida on Feb 13, 2008 4:02 PM ESTHear Ye! Hear Ye!
Howard Dean has been declared first!