Like I always say, Dean is first.

Here we go - Dean v. Clinton:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/25/1158...

Rdorgan: "Pretty good stuff, still. Why should either Clinton attack Obama for facing some of the truths that both of them taught their party so long ago?"

Both Clinton and Obama were/are spouting DLC talking points. The DLC entire Raison d'etre is how to build a new Dem party that shifts to the center-right (unity?) to respond to the success of Reagan in wooing "Reagan" Democrats.

Of course, there is another way. Define what you stand for, pursue a progressive agenda and people will be attracted to principled stands that work in their economic interest. The DLC is essentially reactionary to blur the distinction.

The Progressive approach is forward-thinking and about building

Fox Mulder
Fri, 01/25/08

Ah, but that didn't happen. You require the gov't. to produce the necessary documents, supported by law, and REQUIRE them to take you to court, if necessary, before succumbing to threats and strong-arm tactics. Otherwise, you open yourself up to lawsuits. That's the way the legal system works. Why do you not support the rule of law?

NO AMNESTY FOR TELCOMS.

And that is why the immunity bill will pass with overwhelming bipartisan support on Monday.  Ever notice that the Dems on the Intelligence Committee always seem more serious and are more likely to support the President.  They get to read the raw intel reports.  Is it related, or are they just sell outs.  I guess someone needs to be a grown up every once in a while. 

A DU blogger has hyperlinked a dead Washington Post site for the Edwards 27% figure on Thursday in South Carolina.  Is anyone aware of a source that confirms this figure?

Obama's burden :

http://www.bet.com/News/NewsArticlePoliticsHillaryClintonAttacksObama.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished&Referrer=%7B9624097D-F2F3-4D5C-B513-798AEAD259B7%7D

Will Hillary Clinton's personal attacks on Barack Obama ultimately hurt her and her party?

Posted Jan. 24, 2008 – Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is the only one in the race for the White House who’s running against an ex-president.

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Indy Steve
Fri, 01/25/08

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Rdorgan: "Pretty good stuff, still. Why should either Clinton attack Obama for facing some of the truths that both of them taught their party so long ago?"

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Indy Steve -

You're getting me confused with Tom.  Tom posted that excerpts from E. J. Dionne in today's Washington Post piece.

mary vb
Fri, 01/25/08

Calculating and contradictory. Clinton kept her name on the ballot in MI (is she on in FL?). Now she wants her delegates while the others removed their name. Clinton is making it VERY hard to vote for her coniving ways. Sickening. She will have to EARN my vote for Novermber. And that is getting harder.

3.  I think what you are missing is that the N.S.A., like every other agent of government takes orders from US.  We do not take orders from the N.S.A.  If, at some point, our representatives gave permission to the N.S.A. to demand secrecy from ordinary citizens, then those reps overstepped their bounds and the permission needs to be revoked.

There is a long tradition of executives issuing orders which he wants to be followed without question, but that doesn't make it right. 

Fox Mulder
Fri, 01/25/08

Please explain how some telcoms (QWEST) refused to comply. They saw through an illegal act by the Executive branch.

Here we go - Dean v. Clinton:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/25/1158...

* rdorgan
Fri, 01/25/08

Oops. sorry. my comment to Tom then.

But the point remains: Obama's point about Reagan (not praise because that is misleading) is straight from the DLC playbook, whether he knows it or not.

Fox,

If the police came to your home, demanding to search it and said they had the Sheriff's approval, would you voluntarily let them in?

I hope not. YOu would demand to see a search warrant signed by a judge. The Telcoms know the routine and procedure (or should).
Some were smart enough to not comply. THe others who didn't should be subject to our rule of law, not EXCUSED through amnesty legislation.

Indy Steve -

I will vote for whoever the dem nominee is in Nov, with one exception --

Billary.

My wife feels the same way (and we both voted for Bill wholeheartedly in the 92 and slightly less enthusiastic in the 96 elections) as me.  We both got a bad case of the malidy Clinton fatigue.

He described in detail the contents of the letters they received.  It order them to comly and the order was attached to authorization from the Attorney General of the Untied States.

The whole Telecom immunity crap is to protect Bush rather than them. Lawsuits would bring out information that would detail how Bush broke the law.

6.  Right.  And the intel reports are full of lies.  They are gathering information from people whose languages they do not speak. 

What they are really trying to do is model the global communications network so they'll be able to disable the communications systems of enemies (people who don't follow their orders) without causing disruption to their own.  Other nations are already on to this trick.  Which is why they are developing their own networks to which they will restrict U.S. access.  Dodd wasn't opposed to this stupid legislation because some Americans had their privacy invaded; he's opposed to it because he recognizes that in the long run this kind of behavior is self-defeating.

The dollar is tanking because the U.S. cannot be trusted.  Issuing threats and following through is not a trust-building strategy. 

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/tneil/CGxNJ#comments

Kurt Nimmo
Truth News
January 24, 2008

From John D. Dingell of Michigan, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, to ba-zillionaire mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg and now U2 frontman Bono, we endure calls for a carbon tax. So thick is the hype, so deep is the indoctrination, the New York Times went out of its way to declare that “everyone is using the atmosphere like a municipal dump, depositing carbon dioxide free,” in other words the very fact you are breathing is detrimental to the planet.

Al Gore has declared the discussion over, even though, as Paul Joseph Watson notes, “over 100 prominent scientists who have signed a letter slamming the UN move” toward a carbon tax “as a futile bureaucratic scheme” and “pointing out the results of a recent study in the International Journal of Climatology which concludes that climate change over the past thirty years is largely a result of solar activity and that attempts to reduce carbon dioxide emissions are irrelevant.”

Al Gore, Mr. Green himself, is an inch short of having these heretics flayed alive for the “eco crime” of disagreement based on reality-based science. Like the converso minority of yore, these scientists are to be persecuted for heresy. The only thing missing is the rack, although Al and the new Green bureaucrats — globalist autocrats to the man and woman — expect these enviro-criminals to engage in groveling fashion to the auto de fe, that is to say to ask for penance. Al is our Tomás de Torquemada reborn, the Inquisitor General of the Earth cult.

Indy wrote "The DLC entire Raison d'etre is how to build a new Dem party that shifts to the center-right (unity?) to respond to the success of Reagan in wooing 'Reagan' Democrats."

This promulgates the Clinton propoganda to the fullest extent.  You should have more decency.  The success of Reagan being referred to in each instance is the change Reagan brought about in persuading voters to opt for a stong military, phony fiscal conservatism, and a federal government crippled by starvation and incompetent exectutive agency appointments.  What you either fail to notice, or lack interest in noticing, is that the country got swept up on a wave of conservatism that transmogrified government and the national conversation on government policies for the next quarter century.

We are not discussing an endorsement of conservative Reagan policies, as you are aware, and as every sensate person who blows this smokescreen knows.  You are also clearly aware that a fundamental transformation of the type Obama envisions would be one that reverses the damage of the movement ushered in by Reagan.  Since I don't believe you're a gullible sap, I believe you're simply dishonest, cynical, or both.

Paul Craig Roberts
Counterpunch
January 24, 2008

If polls are reliable, Hillary will win the Democratic nomination. The Democratic groups that prefer Obama are not sufficiently numerous to give him the nomination.

Of course, anything can happen in a political campaign, but the latest Field Poll of likely California Democrats and independent voters gives Hillary a 39 to 27 percent lead over Obama. This is bad news for Obama, because California is a progressive state where race is less likely to be a handicap.

Obama is favored by those who rank the Iraq war and foreign policy as the most important issues, by blacks, college graduates, and those with higher incomes.

Hillary is favored two to one by women, two to one by lower income groups and three to one among Latinos. Hillary has a further advantage. At the 2004 Democratic National Convention approximately 50 per cent of the delegates were women. As Democratic delegates are invariably feminists, they are not going to miss the chance of putting a woman in the presidency.

Are the Democrats choosing Hillary because she has the moral integrity to stop an unjust war and to hold war criminals responsible for leading America into war based on lies and deception? Are they choosing Hillary because she defends the US Constitution from usurpation by executive power? Are they choosing her because she is public-spirited instead of personally ambitious?

No. The Democrats are choosing Hillary because of gender and race. Despite all the efforts of Democratic activist groups, the majority of Democratic voters are more concerned with race and gender issues than with their country’s reputation and their civil liberties.

If elected president, Hillary will bring no more change than did the Democratic congressional majority elected in 2006.

From the National Nuse Newsletter:

The National Nursing Network Organization (NNNO) is completely volunteer and made up of grassroots supporters such as yourselves. Many organizations and campaigns hire government relation specialists who are paid to go to Congress and advocate on their behalf. These same groups often pay a stipend or honorarium to their Board of Directors. This is not the case with the National Nursing Network Organization. We believe this campaign is for those of us who live on Main Street, not K Street.

Members of the NNNO Board of Directors value the power each of us have as individuals to participate and make a difference in improving the health of our country. All three of our elected nurses in Congress began with nursing careers, and all three have made a huge difference in helping to improve the lives of nurses and ordinary Americans. It is our goal to do the same.

So when advertisers approach us, and ask if they can advertise on our website, www.nationalnurse.org and pay us, we continue to refuse their offers regardless of what they are selling.

This campaign depends on you-and today we ask you, our supporters, to please make an on line donation at https://co.clickandpledge.com/sp/d1/defa... or email teri@nationalnurse.info to learn where to send a check.

We are asking for $20. For those who contribute $20, the team will place a certificate in your honor inside a packet that will be delivered to your US Representative during our March trip to Washington DC. The same certificate will also be mailed to you. Please know that it costs $20 to make up a professional packet of supporting materials about the Office of the National Nurse proposal, so your donation is actually paying for this packet.
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Teri Mills is our very own blogger, Teri the Aspiring National Nurse. Legistlation will be reintroduced ~ listener posted over on HEP... "I actually got a note from my Rep, Peter Welch, about the certificate and have spoken with his health person and he's willing to support the bill when it comes to the House."

IMO, a show of our support for the Office of the Naional Nurse is just as important as supporting candidates... in other words, if you can send a little help Teri's way, please do it.

Hillary Clinton to Howard Dean: Screw You!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1...

I think I'll save my $208 (which the DNC asked for) for something else.

Glad to see the blog back up and running. I'll check back in later...

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

BTW, this is worth perusing in its entirety.

http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/2007/07/green-is-the-new-red/ 

I have some great news here folks.

In Virginia, we have 11 congressional districts.

Each year each of the congressional district committee is asked to nominate a "grassroots" Democratic activist to be the recipient of the award, given at the annual JState Democratic efferson Jackson Day Gala on Feb 9 (this year).

The grassroots award winner from the 3rd congressional district (Bobby Scott"s district)

is..............................

Lindab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't even know I was nominated but I just got a call from our chair. 

Wow.

.  It order them to comly and the order was attached to authorization from the Attorney General of the Untied States.  It further told them that disclosure of even receipt of the letter was against the State Secrets Act. 

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Why is this not grounds for Impeachment? 

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
January 24, 2008

The huge debt bubble, which has artificially propped up the stock market since the turn of the millennium, could cause a new great depression according to one expert, who also predicts that investors will flock to buy gold as the dollar continues to plummet.

Financial analysts have been drawing comparisons between this week’s chaos and the October 19 1987 crash, known as Black Monday, when the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped by over 22 per cent and markets sunk worldwide.

But Vancouver-based investment adviser Ian Gordon has gone a step further, seeing clear parallels between current events and those that foreshadowed the 1929 crash and ensuing depression.

“We’re really seeing a mirror image of what happened following the [19]29 peak in equity prices in the United States, and the subsequent crash in equities,” Gordon told the Georgia Straight. “We’re seeing really the mirror of…the huge debt bubble that was built into the economy in the ’20s in the United States. We’re now seeing the collapse of the debt bubble that was built into the world economies, but principally in the United States.”

Gordon levels the blame at Alan Greenspan for creating a huge bubble by injecting too much money into the system in an attempt to offset the "economic winter" that inevitably arrives as part of the boom and bust cycle of the fiat money system, arguing that the realistic peak in the stock market occurred in 2000.

Gordon predicts that the "economic winter" will last another 7 or 8 years and that the worst is yet to come, with the continued meltdown of the dollar causing people to flock to the safe haven of gold.

“As this whole collapse in paper assets begins to unfold, causing tremendous strain on the banking system, we will see a tremendous rush to gold, to own gold,” he said. “But I think the worst is definitely in front of us, and not behind us.”

Gordon slammed the huge 75 points rate cut as ineffective, arguing that neither banks or consumers want to engage because of the crippling problems of their existing debts.

The analyst’s conclusions are in line with those of Paul Craig Roberts, the father of Reaganomics, who on Tuesday warned that the mess could result in the dollar losing its status as the world reserve currency.

Roberts also cautioned that the rush to diversify into gold could make people’s assets a target for government confiscation, as happened in 1933, four years after the great depression

That is way cool, linda b.

Because Romney is not a serious candidate with ideas of his own. It’s all a dog and pony show for the American people, who will accept Hillary Clinton as their next decider-commander

linda b

when you have been instrumental in changing the majority in the United States Senate you deserve a NATIONAL AWARD ( besides your Howardly )

wOOt!!!

John Taylor Gatto is an activist critical of compulsory schooling and the hegemonic nature of discourse on education and the education professions

linda b ~ Congrats on a well deserved recognition. You rock!

ttfn

A very strong showing by John Edwards would be very damaging to Clinton in South Carolina and she is not back there campaigning to stop Obama but to slow down the Edwards surge.

linda b

when you have been instrumental in changing the majority in the United States Senate you deserve a NATIONAL AWARD ( besides your Howardly )

wOOt!!!     change the senate and house what good has it been? old boss same as new!

Congratulations. 

25.  Why would you penalize the DNC for Hillary's bad behavior?

What we have here is another attempt to distract.  Ignore it.  If you've got time to send some letters to South Carolina or vote a friend, do that.

While you're watching the monkey, your poclet is likely to be picked.

What should be increasingly evident to us Democrats is that while we were all agitated by the 'right-wing" attacks on poor Bill and his tremendous effort not to be distracted from his job "on behalf of the American people" it was actually his own irresponsible behavior that provided fuel for the distraction which kept us from noticing that American jobs were being sold overseas and American mothers were being forced to earn dollars so they could pay someone else to care for their children and "protecting industrial secrets" set the stage for monitoring all electronic communications.

Why were the telecoms suborned before 9/11?  Because the monitoring of communications was already well underway.  But, you see, the primary focus was always to promote the interests of commerce and industry, so they missed the terrorists. 

Terrorists are like the boogeyman.  Their purpose is to scare the children and keep them close to home. 

A very strong showing by John Edwards would be very damaging to Clinton in South Carolina and she is not back there campaigning to stop Obama but to slow down the Edwards surge. 

If Edwards can knock the Clintons into third and demonstrate that their dirty politics are rejected it will help everyone.

BTW, my wife voted for  the Clintons today and that's GREAT news. Whether it's sports or politics, she ALWAYS backs the ultimate loser (don't bet on the Pats either).  She also always picks the slowest line at the supermarket (I wait for her to pick one and then say, "Let's go to that one over there." It never fails to get us out quicker.)

I say we ship all the global warming doubters to the islands of Bangledesh and let them bet their lives on whether or not global warming is a fact.

no need though since many own Florida property

Phil Specht get a new wipin horse edward is done move on!

He may be a "never will be," but if he's taking more votes from the Clintons than Obama at least he's helping the better cause.

mary vb....

If we cut our money to the DNC now, it will reflect badly on Howard. imo

30.  Because there are so many others?

Hillary Clinton to Howard Dean: Screw You!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1...

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mary vb -

So, Florida is at it again.

In 2000's general stolen election, they handed George to America.

In 2008's dem primary election to come, will they hand Hillary to America ?

I pray and hope that Dean and the rest of us have enough steel-will to counter the Billary's attempt to steal this primary.

there is a huge problem in this country with scientific illiteracy

Tom Bearse
Fri, 01/25/08

No need to start the name-calling. A reference to Reagan and how he "won over" Democrats by being strong on defense, markets and Conservative social issues is a DLC theme. Clinton, as Chair of the DLC, did it in 1992 and won by moving the party to the right. Triangulation, remember?

Why Obama did it in Nevada is also promoting the theme of moving right, whether he knows it or not. Bringing up Reagan should ALWAYS be accompanied by how he ran up the debt, created an economy for the wealthy, and pursued free market policies that destroyed our economic base. If you don't do that, you are promoting the myth.

there is a huge problem in this country with scientific illiteracy

What do you expect from a country that couldn't even convert to metric? 

The main reason leadership is reluctant to move to Impeachment is of course that it will expose complicit Democrats.

Phil wrote: there is a huge problem in this country with scientific illiteracy  

I would add: there is a huge problem in this country with ECONOMIC illiteracy  

Starting with the Congress and their "economic stimulus" package.

Hillary is PENNed in :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo9HBH4w5f8

Bringing up Reagan should ALWAYS be accompanied by how he ran up the debt, created an economy for the wealthy, and pursued free market policies that destroyed our economic base.

Bringing up Edwards and Hillary should always be accompanied by how they voted in support of the worst of Bush's agenda -- and that's just what I do. 

Phil....30

Add it to the pile. We need to sit on Nadler hard. He's the stumbling block to impeachment.
I tie that to his support of Hillary. I think that is the reason impeachment is being squelched....embarrassing to Hillary. She's not worth our Constitution. I guess I have to say imo.

Obama is going to do great in South Carolina because that's where Michelle's family is from.

Don't worry about it.

Phil's right.  Edwards needs to do good.  Well, actually, all he needs to do is get some delegates.

Let's hope SC teaches Hillary a lesson in humility.  Not that she's likely to get it. 

Lindab,

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

Well-deserved. Keep givin' 'em hell!

Tom wrote: are also clearly aware that a fundamental transformation of the type Obama envisions would be one that reverses the damage of the movement ushered in by Reagan.

I'm not aware of any such thing. In fact, his economic advisor is a Chicago School economist. I am aware that Edwards' view is one that clearly recognizes the cause of US economic decline, the ravages of unmanaged globalization and ways to correct it. Obama hasn't convinced me he gets it yet.

Linda b......

Congrats...way to go!!!!!!

BTW according to my Holstein newsletter there are exactly 650 live cloned cattle in the United States today according to the firms that did the work and that have now implanted RFID and are working to exclude them from a general mixing in the food supply by creating a tracking pledge with owners and outlet with packers who will label the meat so as not to concern the over half of the population that does not believe cloning has been accomplished yet and others who have expressed concern.

who knows what effect that will have on the crowd that thinks RFID is the "mark of the beast" though