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From God's Politics, a blog by Jim Wallis and friends.Here's the link to God's Politics. Read the whole piece."The upcoming primary in South Carolina will be critical for both the Democrats and the Republicans, say the media pundits. And South Carolina is full of evangelicals, they also say. But they have absolutely no clue about what that means.
For example, the exit polls in the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary have asked departing Republican voters if they are "evangelicals," but they don't ask the same question of exiting Democrats—therefore assuming there aren't any evangelicals voting for Democrats, an assumption that is demonstrably not true. The leading Democrats in the race—Obama, Clinton, and Edwards—speak explicitly and articulately as Christians and their campaigns have reached out as much to faith communities as the Republicans have."
From Wikipedia:
The National Election Pool (NEP) is a consortium of news organizations formed in 2003 to provide "information on Election Night about the vote count, election analysis and election projections." NEP's FAQ
Member companies consist of ABC News, the Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, FOX News and NBC News. The organization relies on the Associated Press to perform vote tabulations and contracted with Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International to "make projections and provide exit poll analysis."
The precursor was Voter News Service, which was disbanded in 2003, after controversies over the 2000 and 2002 election results. The NEP plan is largely the suggestion of CNN, which used Edison/Mitofsky as consultants in the past. Mitofsky headed the original pool that preceded VNS.
Despite the pledge to avoid the mistakes of previous years and the consequent increase in sample size, the NEP had exit poll controversies in the 2004 Presidential Election when leaked exit polling data was different than the final results, beyond the margin of error. Some news organizations like The New York Times and The Washington Post, among others, jumped to the conclusion that Kerry would win the election. NEP/Edison/Mitofsky updated the statistical weights to coincide with the vote count. The purpose of the exit poll is not to determine if an election is flawed but the goal of the NEP is to predict winners of races and to describe why a candidate won.
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Grater? Watch your hands handling that scheme of things.
Now that Edwards has jumped into the 'remarks" fray against Hillary, it will interesting to see if our Edwardians follow his llead and begin piling onto her intead of Obabma.
mary vb
Mon, 01/14/08
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Well, whether Americans like it or not.......the US armed forces have certainly had their share of gaffes the last 20 or so years..........................the Vincennes, the Italy gondola incident, and the Japanese research vessel that was wiped out by the nuke sub surfacingto impress the Congressman on board.................and these are the ones we know about.....................
The Vincennes though, IMO was the key incident because that disaster pretty mych set the tone for damaged and maybe irreparable Iranian/US relations....................granted it was a mistake(so they say........a wopper) Bush1, in his typical repugnant way refused to offer an apology to the Iranians............"the US doesnt apologize to anybody"..............and people wonder why we are so disliked as a nation and people?
Howard's first.
Inept pollsters are last.
Frustrating Mainstream Media is horrible!
I called my local ABC affiliate today to complain about ads for the upcoming "Dance Wars" competition.
I find it appalling that they call this contest a "WAR".
Our children are fighting and dying in a real (if illegal and immoral) WAR in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I believe that calling a dance contest a "war" trivializes the word, and will only serve to make the TV watching public more immune to the horror of a this very real WAR.
I understand that a war against an idea is unwinnable (remember the war on poverty, the war on drugs?). But this country is at WAR, and our sons and daughters are DYING, not being out-danced. Yes, we need to end this war, but we also need to be sure that people don't become so accustomed to the word that they forget what it really means.
Jane
the upcoming "Dance Wars" competition.
It conjours up the image of a floor full of ballroom dancers all trying to kick, bite, and gouge each other as they do their lifts and twirls.
Evolution played a cruel trick on humans -- it made us so smart that we became stupid.
great post, Jane - I totally agree. thank you.
Now that Edwards has jumped into the 'remarks" fray against Hillary, it will interesting to see if our Edwardians follow his llead and begin piling onto her intead of Obabma
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Now that Al From has declared victory for the DLC by whittling it down to their two candidates. I fail to see the distinction.
Hillary and Bill are liars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/us/pol...
This needs to be pointed out EVERYWHERE.
Now that Al From has declared victory for the DLC by whittling it down to their two candidates. I fail to see the distinction.
Thank the corrupt and manipulative nomination process which allows From and his ilk to do it.
And I'll remind you that just a few years ago Edwards was praising From and his ilk.
Those that fail to see the corporatist control of DC and the war machine are destined to fight many more wars and not just the fake ones.
Edwards to his credit has opened his eyes.
Come to think of it, I don't remember Obama ever kissing up to From and the DLC. He even demanded that they remove his name from thier membership list. So maybe he isn't their candidate.
Obama The Target of Dangerous Code Words
Obama had just beat Clinton --badly -- in Iowa. She is tired, defeated, maybe afraid.
At a New Hampshire coffee shop, a woman asked if she was OK. Clinton teared up, her voice quavered: "I have so many opportunities from this country, I just don't want to see us fall backward," she replied. "This is very personal for me -- it's not just political, it's not just public."
Listen to the words. "I just don't want to see us fall backward." Backward to what?
To that black man. That black man who beat Hillary. That black man who made the white woman cry.
White New Hampshire voters came to her rescue. Poor Hillary. Don't worry -- we will protect you. We will save you.
Our racial wounds are deep, their impact subliminal. Words have consequences. In these sensitive times, they can activate our most unconscious fears and tap the deepest recesses of our ugly history. Every black man in America knows it. Especially Barack Obama.
Listen to the words.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/washington/739385,CST-EDT-laura14.article
I truly believed we were above these tactics, seems I was naive.
I have to say thank you to John Edwards for his stance. It would be easy for him to stay out of it and see where the pieces fall.
Obama The Target of Dangerous Code Words
I guess racist code words from Hillary are an improvement over calling Obama a crack dealer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/14/politics/main3707428.shtml
Edwards Joins Clinton, Obama Race Dispute As South Carolina Primary Nears, Native Son Says He Was "Troubled" By Clinton's RemarksSUMTER, S.C., Jan. 14, 2008
AP) Democrat John Edwards on Sunday waded into a dispute between his rivals, criticizing comments by Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband that some have considered disparaging to Barack Obama and black people generally.
"I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change that came not through the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King but through a Washington politician. I fundamentally disagree with that," Edwards told more than 200 people gathered at a predominantly black Baptist church.
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Sen. Hillary Clinton recently was quoted as saying King's dream of racial equality was realized only when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while Bill Clinton said Obama was telling a "fairy tale" about his opposition to the Iraq war. (Click here to read more.)
Edwards did not name either of the Clintons in his speech, but turned the argument back on them.
"Those who believe that real change starts with Washington politicians have been in Washington too long and are living a fairy tale," he said.
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Edwards, ... "What the election is about is about building one America," he said.
John Edwards isn't going to stay out of questions of race, especially as they lead to a disparity of wealth and opportunity.
I was suggesting that Hillary had made such an outrageous remark that it was MLK but LBJ that had gotten us the Civil Rights Act, that that particular flap needed no further comment.
Was thinking about BIll Clinton's remark that Obama was a fairy tale.
I did not have sex with that woman - ???
I have to say thank you to John Edwards for his stance. It would be easy for him to stay out of it and see where the pieces fall.
He's trying to push a tottering Hillary down and move into second -- his natural place in the scheme of things.
Edwards, ... "What the election is about is about building one America," he said.
Edwards must not have gotten the memo that his supporters have been attacking that idea coming from Obama.
Phil wrote "Now that Al From has declared victory for the DLC by whittling it down to their two candidates. I fail to see the distinction."
There is one. If your powers of discernment are on a par with Al From's, best of luck to you. You'll need it.
I think the Clinton surrogates that Hillary is always *distancing* herself from (and some she isn't) is a problem. It shows what sort of campaign the Clintons are running. To me, another big problem is as the NY Times points out - she and Bill aren't being honest about this Iraq War Resolution. She went on MTP yesterday and claimed she voted on Chuck Hagel's resolution. In fact, his was scrapped by the White House. The resolution she voted on was much more fierce and authored by none other than Gephardt and Lieberman.
Edwards, ... "What the election is about is about building one America," he said.
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Edwards has had that theme for six years that I know of, but I think it might take more than one election to accomplish. maybe even more than one generation
I think Al Gore might be ahead of the curve seeing the challenge as being building one world.
Just breezing over some really good comments from the overnight crowd last night.
A blogger from the Obama website wrote: with hillary we have a nation divided ...
That ought to become a slogan from the Obama and Edwards campaigns.
JIM HIGHTOWER ON OUR TREPID DEMOCRATS
http://www.alternet.org/story/72875/
What I am hearing from across the country is a surge of angst and discouragement. In conversations, calls, emails, and letters, people in general (and progressives in particular) are expressing profound dismay at the deterioration of America's democracy, not only because of the BushCheney regime, but also, and especially, because of the fecklessness of the Democratic Congress.
The damage now being done to America's political psyche by the Democrats' fizzle is way out of the ordinary. These writers are smart, engaged, committed people who are not easily surprised or discouraged by negative political developments. They constitute the grassroots base of progressive activism in our country, and it is truly worrisome that even they are becoming dispirited -- especially as we head into a watershed election year.
The capitulation Congress
It is not some vague funk that's afflicting the public, not some general ennui caused by seven years of Bushdom. Rather, it's a growing despair -- and a rising national embarrassment -- brought on by an ongoing series of specific, disheartening collapses by Democrats, who are turning out to be weaker than Canadian hot sauce.
Maybe they think that people aren't noticing this. Maybe they hope that since Bush & Buckshot are so awful, Congress will get a pass. Indeed, Bush's job-approval rating is now down to an all-time low of 24% in the latest Zogby poll. But get ready for a shock, Dems-Congress's job-approval rating is 11%. Eleven! Even among Democrats, the approval rating is a mere 14%. Tellingly, only 10% of union members and 8% of liberals give Congress a positive job-performance score.
AND THEY STILL EXPECT TO WIN NEXT NOVEMBER!
Clinton is from the Lieberman/Gephardt wing of the party and that is why she never apologized for her vote. I give her credit for being honest in that detail she got the war she voted for. She just voted again for Kyl/Lieberman and will get the next one too
MORE UPBEAT STUFF FROM JIM KUNSTLER
The dark tunnel that the US economy has entered began to look more and more like a black hole last week, sucking in lives, fortunes, and prospects behind a Potemkin facade of orderly retreat put up by anyone in authority with a story to tell or an interest to protect -- Fed chairman Bernanke, CNBC, The New York Times, the Bank of America.... Events are now moving ahead of anything that personalities can do to control them.
The "housing bubble" implosion is broadly misunderstood. It's not just the collapse of a market for a particular kind of commodity, it's the end of the suburban pattern itself, the way of life it represents, and the entire economy connected with it. It's the crack up of the system that America has invested most of its wealth in since 1950. It's perhaps most tragic that the mis-investments only accelerated as the system reached its end, but it seems to be nature's way that waves crest just before they break.
This wave is breaking into a sea-wall of disbelief. Nobody gets it. The psychological investment in what we think of as American reality is too great. The mainstream media doesn't get it, and they can't report it coherently. None of the candidates for president has begun to articulate an understanding of what we face: the suburban living arrangement is an experiment that has entered failure mode.
funny things with the blog. I've lost the blue sides again.
Anyway, my take on the race kerfuffle is that the Clinton's are trying with all their might to distract from the Iraq war issue. The piece in the New York Times had to have been announced to them, since there's a comment from the campaign.
The truth still is that the invasion plans and siting of Air Bases in Iraq were planned during Clinton/Gore and Bill held off giving the go-ahead and relied on his negotiating skills. Bush Two came in and said "f... that" and sent them into Kuwait to prepare for the invasion and Hillary, perhaps out of pique with her dilly-dallying spouse, went along full-tilt and now regrets it. And Bill feels guilty and doesn't have the guts to admit that he fluffed it.
That putting U.S. Air Bases in Southwest Asia was just as bad an idea as putting them in Southeast Asia is unacceptable--even though some people in the Pentagon seem to have seen the light. Which is why you have the Air Force General Dunlop writing an op-ed offering support for more big guns in exchange for the Air Force pipe dream.
I see the Latino endorsement of Obama as a positive development especially if McCain gets their nomination as one of the sponsors of immigration reform
I was just reading the Jim Hightower column John quoted from when he cited it. Here's more:
"There is a solid core of progressives in Congress -- roughly 72 in the House and 10 in the Senate -- and they are battling the bastards every day, as well as cajoling, haranguing, begging, confronting, and otherwise pushing the leadership and the old guard of the Democratic caucus to stand with the people. These members are making a tremendous fight inside the system. In the House, for example, there's the unstinting, determined antiwar effort of Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey, the unrelenting investigative work of Henry Waxman, the insistent pressure by Jan Schakowsky to stop the outsourcing of military functions to private contractors, and the general inside work of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
"The bad news is that practically no one outside Washington knows about these legislators' inside work. Nor are we outsiders connected to (much less enlisted in) their insider efforts.
The public invisibility of most progressive lawmakers is a failure of America's conglomerated, celebrity-riveted media, of course, but it's also a glaring failure of the progressive movement's strategy. The focus of these stalwart Congress members and the Washington organizations that surround and support them is locked on the inside fight. Simply put, they don't play to the outside.
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"Rather than thinking of themselves as lone rangers fighting in Washington on our behalf, congressional progressives need to act like leaders of a mass movement, mobilizing and targeting us to be ground troops in a fight that belongs not just to them but to all of us.
"This collaborative approach has proven highly effective in the past. As a young antiwar activist in 1970, I was part of one such outside-in effort. Sen. George McGovern and Rep. Al Lowenstein created the Committee for a Vote on the War, headquartered in two townhouses on Capitol Hill. I was among the staffers whose job was to coordinate grassroots war opposition with the legislative actions of anti-Vietnam lawmakers. The insiders and leading outsiders jointly developed strategy, with a steady flow of information, vote checks, and action items going both ways. The local forces could not only move at a moment's notice to approach a targeted lawmaker, but they could also deploy members of Congress out to the hustings to bring information, rally the forces, generate media coverage, and unify the effort.
"I don't know how to recreate something like this, but I believe it must happen. We can't have a successful progressive movement if our elected officials are disjoined from the movement."
the suburban living arrangement is an experiment that has entered failure mode
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runamuck developers certainly
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS............
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080113_the_end_of_the_road_for_george_w_bush/
The Gilbert and Sullivan charade of statesmanship played out by George W. Bush and his enabler, Condoleezza Rice, as they wander the Middle East is a fitting end to seven years of misrule. Despots stripped of power are transformed from monsters into buffoons. And this is the metamorphosis that is eating away at the Bush presidency.
Bush stood in Jerusalem, uncomfortable and palpably bored. He mouthed platitudes about a peace settlement that mocked the humanitarian crisis he aided and abetted in Gaza, the rapacious land grab by Israel in the West Bank and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The diminished George Bush, increasingly irrelevant at home and abroad, is fading into insignificance. A year from now one half expects to see him stand up at the next president’s inauguration and screech “I’m melting! I’m melting!” as he sinks into a puddle of slime. He will return, I expect, to his ranch, where he will be able to spend the rest of his life doing the only task for which he has shown any aptitude—cutting down brush with a chain saw.
35. Thanks for posting the rest of the Hightower essay Tom. The progressive minority of Democrats certainly are doing their best.
from the Obama '08 website:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CVW7#comments
OBAMA YOU ARE NOW RUNNING AGAINST A REPUBLICAN By Dave 14 minutes ago I agree Clintons are playing the Race Card and this is now their LONG term strategy. If they can turn off Obama’s long-term white supporters by this. Then they have accomplished their goal. They are not thinking of SC with this strategy. If they lose SC they will say it was because the Blacks sided with Obama and NOT that they thought he was the better Candidate. Clintons are using what the Republicans were going to use in the General against Obama. OBAMA YOU ARE NOW RUNNING AGAINST A REPUBLICAN. I would suggest in addition to your plan of dealing with this scenario. Which I have no doubt you already have a plan for it.I suggest MAJOR visibility addressing this issue. Not necessarily by addressing each point, but more of showing your positive face on TV showing ALL races that you are above this and talking how you look beyond race and want to bring the Country together....
The choice is this - vote for Barack Obama or be stuck with the Clinton's or worse yet another Republican White House for the next 4 to 8 years. Period. That is the choice. I have watched the people on this blog discuss for a year Dean and Gore and Kucinich and Edwards. They are not going to win. Does it not make sense to anyone here to rally behind the one candidate that can beat Hillary Cltinon, that can beat any of the Republican candidates ? No wonder Democrats have lost the last 2 elections. Honestly, this is frustrating to read.
Real ID: From "No Fly" to "No Drive" Lists?
Truth News | January 14, 2008
Kurt Nimmo
ABC breaks the ice for us: in the future, and not too far into it, the process of getting and renewing a driver's license will become more difficult, stressful, and fraught with all manner of unnecessary nonsense supposedly designed to protect us from terrorists, or rather CIA patsies paraded about to frighten us into submission, and as well prevent illegals from taking to the roads, never mind Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia allow illegals to hold a license, thus demonstrating the above is little more than a threadbare excuse.
Of course, when the rubber meets the road, we discern the real reason � a national ID, complete with RFID and possibly biometrics, is all about easing us into the control grid.
According to apparatchik Michael Chertoff and the commissariat of Homeland Security, the whole affair is a matter of national security. "We are now over six years from 9/11," Chertoff impatiently declared, "we live every day with the problems of false identification. Simply kicking this problem down the road year after year after year for further discussion, further debate and analysis is a time-tested Washington way of smothering any proposal with process."
In other words, never mind that most people oppose Real ID and civil libertarians warn of vexing abuse, Chertoff and the neocons are itching to get us all in lumbering databases, the next step in a plan that will ultimately result in the chipping of the population at large.
"I think the time has come to bite the bullet," Chertoff continued, "and get the kind of secure identification I am convinced the American public wants to have," or rather the government tells them they must have, as most people hate the idea and eighteen states have passed legislation rejecting the law and Congress has refused to put any money into implementing it.
Julie Stipich
Mon, 01/14/08
the fix is in where have you been it clinton your vote dont count!!! its doesnt matter who win we lose.
Julie Stipich
Mon, 01/14/08
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The choice is this - vote for Barack Obama or be stuck with the Clinton's or worse yet another Republican White House for the next 4 to 8 years. Period. That is the choice. I have watched the people on this blog discuss for a year Dean and Gore and Kucinich and Edwards. They are not going to win.
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Julie -
Ummmh, Dean and Gore are not running.
We don't know yet if Edwards, especially, or Kucinich could pull off a win.
But I do get the gist of what you are saying -- CHANGE is never the easy road to take.
"Show me your papers"
once there is a requirement for an ID there is always probable cause to stop someone, next the checkpoints
ask Palestinians how that has worked out
do we have a good candidate running against senselessbrenner?
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no offense Julie but if the Obama supporters got behind Edwards he wouldn't have any trouble defeating Clinton and the other Republicans either
As you probably know, I'm not much for movies, but the spouse watches them all the time. And I can't help but see bits and pieces. So, I suddenly remembered that he'd been watching a movie the other day in which the petition by MLK to LBJ to move forward with civil right legislation was covered. The title of the movie, made for HBO by Frankenheimer is Path to War.
It's a movie, of course, and not fact, but the consultant on it was Michael Beschloss and he's got a good reputation as an historian.
In the part I saw, MLK made an elloquent plea to LBJ and the latter ended up tricking Wallace into asking for national guard troops to help implement the law.
I think the point I want to make is that the laws demanding equal service for black mandated behavior from the agents of government and the affirmative action requirements were put on governments to keep them from wiggling out of their obligations. Many African Americans have been disappointed because they assumed that they were supposed to get some sort of preferential treatment, rather than just equal treatment. Others, like Robert L. Johnson don't seem to understand that the law doesn't incorporate moral values as an imposition on individuals, but merely directs how the agents of government, at all levels, have to act.
Obama won't get a majority of the delegates anytime soon with Edwards in the race, but neither will Clinton, and I for one think the more states that get to weigh in on the future direction of our Party and hence America the better.
on to the convention
"Ummmh, Dean and Gore are not running." I know that. This is my point exactly. Some here were waiting for Gore to jump into the race until a short while ago. We need to turn our attention to the current race and the current candidates. There is only one candidate who can bring a new dynamic to American politics and a begin to repair our image around the world and that is Barack Obama. If we divide up our vote we all lose.
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Kerrey's remarks were pretty offensive. Will the Hillary who has "found" herself rid her team of all the jerks?
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Phil -
In other words, the song "Who Let The Dogs Out" comes to mind.
Edwards (thank God) is not staying out of it. He graciously has defended Obama by saying Obama's campaign is "no fairy tale".
If Obama does not get to the dem nomination, for some reason, but yet Edwards is still in the running against H Clinton, my support is strongly behind Edwards.
no offense Julie but if the Obama supporters got behind Edwards he wouldn't have any trouble defeating Clinton and the other Republicans either
It would make more sense for Edwardiacs to get behind Obama in that regard. I mean, who jumps to the ship that's lower in the water and even looks like it's sinking?
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Exactly right Julie.
However, I recall that the same thing happened here in 2004 when many here said they would vote for Dean, who had already lost the nomination to Kerry, but they would not vote for Kerry.
To them it was a choice between Kerry or Nader and we know where that went wrong in Florida. Though Edwards' basically seems to support Obama, he is still vying for votes in SC. If he dropped out of the race, then his supporters may or may not support Obama. I would vote on the former -- they will support Obama. That could mean the end of the Clinton race -- or not:))
The Clinton lies and dirty tricks are not going to stop. They have learned much from the Republicans now to lie, cheat, win, and then ignore how you won and expect everyone else to forget it too, which they probably would.
This race is basically become one about honesty. Clinton is anything but honest. She is just another GWB in a skirt.
something is secure when it is either tied down or locked up.
Yes, there are people who are convinced that the role of public officials is to control the populace. These public officials need to be removed. The role of the agents of government is to do the will of the people.
People do not want to waste their time showing documentation every time they turn around.
It's interesting that the airlines are supposed to be the enforcing mechanism. people won't be able to get on commercial planes, if they don't show proper I.D. The reason the airlines are being chosen is because, as private corporations, they are actually able to discriminate, as long as they don't do it to a "protected" category of people. Just as they can require that you show a ticket, they can require an I.D. Whether the T.S.A., a government agency, can enforce it on their behalf is another matter. While it may be reasonable to check that people aren't carrying on weapons, I'm not sure that excluding people for not having an approved I.D. is going to work--i.e. be constitutional.
And a brokered convention would be the Iowa caucuses all over again for you, what with politicians fawning all over you for your support -- while the rest of us get to watch and trust your impeccable honesty and judgement.
Here's to hoping the people decide it before the convention and not the politicians and politicos decide it at the convention.
50. they were already good at it in 1996. Just ask Fred Thompson.
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sitka
It is the man, Obama, who is inspiring voters, not Edwards who is signing the same old song.
Edwards could easily be VP on an Obama ticket and make a good VP as well. Obama/Edwards would be an impossible duo for Repugs to overcome.
If Edwards dropped out of the race the full force of both the Republican and Clinton machines would be directed at one candidate Barack Obama and we would end up with the status quo whoever won the election because they would bring him down.
Who will keep the progressive agenda on the table if Obama has no pressure from the left?
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Good Morning Phil,
Are you saying Obama has no chance?
Don't you think they would bring Edwards down as well?
Guess we will have another Republican. Because I truly believe the Republicans are laying in wait for HRC.
Maybe Bloomberg or hopefully Al Gore will enter the race if it is HRC.
Remember to vote for Roy Carter for your DFA All-Star this week.
The man has earned it, I'll go into detail later.
p.s.
Make sure all your friends and loved ones do to.
All the best,
Mike Cooper
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By Tom Bearse on Jan 14, 2008 10:00 AM ESTIn the grater scheme of things, Dean is first.