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I'd like to know your position on NBC's outrageous decision today to rescind the invitation and exclude Dennis Kucinch from this debate next Tuesday & how that reflects on our democracy.Let's see the Democrats stand up to the MSM like the Republicans did last week when MSM tried to exclude Ron Paul from getting his message out!!
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Deans first.
And (just me mind you all) super K is last on my list.
Hillary is alright with me.
Barack is cool.
Edwards has balls, but ...would he?
exclude Dennis Kucinch from this debate next Tuesday & how that reflects on our democracy.
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NBC can "bite me."
The media in the United States, in general, is bad for democracy.
Someone said somethin' about the corporate media diminishing Edwards with their horse race talk about Obama and Clinton, and I think they a right.
We need to take back Congress~!
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Can the American Mind Be Opened?
New Criterion
Heather MacDonald , City Journal
Peter Berkowitz , George Mason University
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http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
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Tax Fairness for the Middle Class- Provide a “Making Work Pay” Tax Cut for America's Working Families:
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Create a Universal Mortgage Credit:
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Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit:
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Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less Than $50,000:
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Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit:
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Address the Subprime Mortgage Issue- Combat Mortgage Fraud and Subprime Loans:
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Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures:
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Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers:
... Ban Unilateral Changes: ... Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt: ... Prohibit ”Universal Defaults”: ...
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Level the Playing Field for American Businesses- Make the Corporate Tax Code More Fair and Efficient:
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Crack Down on Offshore Tax Havens:
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Help Low-Income Workers- Help Low-Income Americans Enter the Job Market:
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Provide a Living Wage:
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Barack Obama's Plan to Provide Universal Health Care Access- Fix Our Health Care Crisis:
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Barack Obama’s Plan for Energy Independence and Creating New Jobs
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Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs:
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Another exampe that the powers that be, that really ru this country................wil select Hillary Clinton and John Mccain to be the 2 finalists.....................with Mccain winning.
- Provide a “Making Work Pay” Tax Cut for America's Working Families:
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stop with the tax cuts already; the dollar is about to disappear as a viable currency if we don't face up to the deficit
Nope. McCain will go ballistic before the nomination is determined. And there's too much hidden misogyny for Hill to get it.
8:49 am EST
puddle wrote "McCain will go ballistic before the nomination is determined. And there's too much hidden misogyny for Hill to get it."
I share puddle's view on this. I'm predicting Obama/Romney, which is fun to say out loud. Try it. It sounds a little like the name of a Hindu spiritual leader.
High gasoline prices are caused by war mongering in the Gulf and a worthless dollar that producers demand more of as a consequence and the two are intertwined in a big military budget borrowed from the Chinese so we have to keep that destructive race to the bottom as well.
I want a candidate that faces up to the real challenges we face and tax cuts have been a cause why should they be the solution?
Nixon and Ford pulled the same sh*t and Carter got stuck with the outcome.
What is it about Republicans that they refuse to pay for the government they want (a military at war)? and why shoud Democrats go along?
The high interest rates coming in the years ahead to try and salvage our currency are going to be very painful to many sectors especially housing.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
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I'll take a payroll tax cut, thank you
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Will you take tyhe 20% drop in the value of your house that will be the consequence?
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yep, I would "take tyhe 20% drop in the value of your house that will be the consequence?" for two reasons:
1) that would then lower another tax -- my property tax and thus lower my monthly mortgage payment that has an escrow account rolled up into it;
2) I have no intention of selling my house in the near future (because the prices here in this part of the Boston area the houses are too expensive and too over-priced), so it has no bearing on me.
rdorgan
The tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax.
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no way in h*ll will social security survive if everybody doesn't pay into it
and this is from a small business owner who will get a large bonus under that proposal
I think I understand r*'s "hope" of a tax cut,
or is it the lifting of the burden
IE the yoke
which neither party has squarely addressed in my working years.
Good for the poor, and good for the rich.
We can redefine those terms.
Good for the immigrant -legal or illegal? (haha, that's a game I made up and played with Thankful)
But what about mine?
You got gold in your mouth
We ain't see no gold since the priests left
You got silver on your wrists
We ain't seen no silver since the airplane crash last year
Chorus
You got blue shining skies we got the sun in our eyes
And we're going blind
We don't want your money we want mine
You got shoes on your feet
We ain't seen no shoes since the soldiers came
You got food in your mouth
And that ain't even funny
Chorus
If we should threaten you we're wasting our time
If we appeal to you we're wasting our time
But if we ask you very nicely please be kind
We don't want your money we want mine
You got lies in your mouth
We don't hear no truth 'til the kids cry
You got smiles to your ears
We don't got no smiles
Russert's gonna have a loooooong hour w/Billary.
Uber-defensive.
Ouch.
puddle
Sun, 01/13/08
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pud,
You and Tom may be right.............one thing Ive learne when i was involved...........American politics can be totally topsy turvy......................
My predicting models still say mccain over hillary............
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Phil Specht
Sun, 01/13/08
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rdorgan
The tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax.
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no way in h*ll will social security survive if everybody doesn't pay into it
and this is from a small business owner who will get a large bonus under that proposal
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Phil -
My wife is a small business owner (so micro that she' the owner, manager, employee all rolled up into one), so she is for Obama's "tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax", even though it wouldn't benefit her or her business.
As for "if everybody doesn't pay into it", please, read the plank before you walk it with such sweeping generalization criticism:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
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Support Small BusinessesThere are approximately 25.8 million businesses in the United States and 99.7 percent of all employers are small businesses. Barack Obama will help these businesses by cutting their health care costs, improving their access to capital and investing in innovation and development.
- Fix our Health Care Crisis for Small Businesses: Nearly 47 million Americans have no health coverage today. Skyrocketing health care costs are making it increasingly difficult for employers, particularly small businesses, to provide health insurance to their employees. Barack Obama’s health care plan will help small businesses that want to cover their employees by letting small firms buy into a new low-cost, high-quality national health plan similar to the one offered to members of Congress. For small businesses, having a single employee with catastrophic expenditures can make insurance unaffordable to all of the workers in the firm. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they use the savings to reduce the cost of workers’ premiums. It is estimated that Obama’s health plan will save businesses $140 billion annually in insurance premiums.
- Reduce the Self-Employment Tax: Obama’s “Making Work Pay” tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax. The tax credit offsets some of this self-employment tax.
houses are too expensive and too over-priced),
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not for long
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And once again, the corporate structure mellows the hit for themselves and their hangers on.
It ain't bad, yet.
'til the moment of truth comes. And it is coming.
The working class will pay.
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Real estate values will skyrocket in the future as we continue to procreate. Supply & demand...just look at what's happened to the value of water.
Now off to get more wood on the porch and me snowblower ready for the nor'easter.
from yesterday...
Susan...your title dilema is a bit tougher than mine...when elected vice-chair me wife decided that chair of vice was more fitting...lol
Now to work...
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To NOT protest the barring of any candidate rrom the debates is to give your approval of the media and corporate control over our elections. You are saying it's allright to bar certain candidates, but not mine. Remember, there will be nobody there to speak for you, when they come to bar yours,
The question of the thread is not whether you like everything Dennis ever said, but really do you believe in a democratic process?
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Imn2Paine
Sun, 01/13/08
Some rather disgusting extra-curricular activities you got there. No wonder Mrs. Clinton is first on your list. Please stay away from children.
Paine at #3 said:
"... super K is last on my list.
Hillary is alright with me.
Barack is cool.
Edwards has balls, but ...would he?"
I agree with all of the above and believe that Edwards does and would:)
#6, rd,thanks for some color on BO's platform. The devil is in the details, of course, but nice to see the contours. Thank you.
#19, Mike, I'd be ever so grateful if you'd care to share your prediction model's methodology;)
whoa! easy there, madame chair;)!
#19, Mike, I'd be ever so grateful if you'd care to share your prediction model's methodology;)
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chal,
Thank you.............sitka could never appreciate my predicting 9/10 Presidential winners and also the demise of Howard Dean.............but id like to back up for the one campaign I DID get wrong...........the 92 Clinton win..............
Ill get back to ya...........time for breakfast..................
Happy Sunday folks!
Whatta football wknd so far. Congrats to the cheesheads. And those Pats just keep rolling on.
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I read this morning that Sidney Blumenthal (one of Hill's people) was arrested for DWI in NH.
Madame Chair, you were not serious at 35?
Sidney was arrested the night of the primary, I think.
aggravated DWI (excessive speed, failed field-sobriety test)
If the 3 chosen by NBC do not object strenuously to the exclusion of Dennis, it shows them for the cynical opportunists that they are!
He voted 130 times "PRESENT" while in the Ill. State Senate??
I would like to see the figures for the US. Senate.
Who is Obama, and why is it he chooses to not reveal his positions, but speaks only in generalities, and veiled messages?
That self-proclaimed progressives are in favor of cuts in payroll taxes demonstrates a colossal degree of ignorance and a total lack of concern for the welfare of the Republic.
Reagan, then both Bushes have bankrupted the economy with their ill-advised tax cuts, which benefitted primarily the "1%".
Tax cuts don't create wealth (except for the chosen few), they result in deficits.
Do the math.
The "stimulus package" being advocated by Bush and our feckless, clueless Congressional Democrats will only make things worse. Depreciation of the dollar will accelerate along with the double-digit inflation we already have, despite the government's bogus "core inflation" numbers
audrey.nc
come on audrey! How many votes did Hillary and McCain miss? It is a presidential campaign year. If you want to know Obama check out his history in IL too.
(Where did you get that slogan anyway-- Repubs or Hillary?)
Oops you quote IL Senate. hmmm interesting. Would like to see what the bills were.
Annilow
Sat, 01/12/08
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rdorgan that doesn't sound like a very close football game. oh well.
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Annilow -
Actually, the score 31 Pats to 20 Jags doesn't tell the whole story, for three out of the four quarters saw a tied score for both teams. Only in the 3rd quarter did the Pats beat the Jags, 14-3, and thus, the 11-point differential.
Thus, IMO a great game that demonstrated the adage "it ain't over until it's over".
Many of Obama's present votes in the Illinois senate have already been discussed over and over. It was a strategy. He has a 100% rating on pro-choice issues. It was a misleading and dishonest Clinton trick to question his pro-choice voting record.
I've heard all the justifications and rationalizations, but I still consider ducking votes to be less than honorable.
strategy smategy
rd - The Pats are my third faveorite team but I was rooting for the Jags. Garrard had a great game. I don't want the Packers (if they make it) to face the Pats in the Super Bowl.
Huron John - You've already made up your mind about Barack so no matter what anyone says it is doubtful you will change your feelings IMO.
audrey wrote "[Obama] voted 130 times "PRESENT" while in the Ill. State Senate??"
What an awful post. This canard was thoroughly exposed yesterday in a succession of substantive responses. There's something a little more than just nasty about raising it again anyway.
Holly.....
I don't know what slogan you're talking about, I made no mention of Rep.
About the votes, being absent is not the same as voting "present". Present is not being willing to commit. Absent is, in the case of Obama and Hillary, a matter of being too busy campaigning to attend to their job in the Senate.
I have a problem with members of Congress running for Pres., as I did with Edwards last election. I think they need to give up their job and have someone appointed to fill out their term, so the people have better representation. And I certainly have a big problem with Obama denying over and over that he would not run during his first term.
Hillary did well on Russert and the plan was to be dismissive of Edwards. as I recall the two votes so far, Edwards beat her once and she beat Edwards once.
she has a very hard time securing the nomination in a three person race
much easier if it can be narrowed to two
Well, I'm glad JFK, a U.S. senator, ran and won the Presidency in 1960.
audrey wrote "Present is not being willing to commit."
As vb mentioned, this is not close to the truth and the reason you're not aware of it is lack of research.
I haven't been on this blog for the past several threads, but in scrolling through them I found some comments that insinuated I had called Annilow a racist.
That is not true. Here was the "conversation" we had:
265. (annilow)Florida -- Joan my part of FL isn't like yours -- we are as segregated as the 60's -- no joke. Blacks have started going down to 'our' lake -- as a result I don't think 'we' go down there anymore. I don't go b/c of the gators.294.Anni,
That's sad. Does that translate into meaning you are a racist?
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I asked her a rather obvious question.
I never did find her answer to the question and she has no obligation to ever do so.
The Democratic Party has room for everyone but I always hope they are not racists, sexists, or homophobics.
Tom Bearse....
I'm sorry you think I'm just nasty for mentioning that Obama voted "present" 130 times in the Ill. St. Senate.
It was evidently not debunked yesterday, because I just heard it on MTP a short while ago. Take it up with them.
It is not nasty to write about a candidates' voting record. It is a necessity.
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* rdorgan
Sun, 01/13/08
Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less Than $50,000:
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I'm sorry I really like this one. It seems so silly to me that seniors get a check from the government and have to pay taxes on it. And you ought to see the outrageous permutations and combinations you have to do on your SS income to see what PERCENTAGE of it you have to pay taxes on. Thank God for AARP free tax counselors. Also, we pay Medicare supplementals out of money that has been taxed.
I thought I heard Obama say he would solve SS by raising the cap on when people stop paying into it. This sure seems like the simplest and most expedient solution to me who never made enuf to reach the cap.
rdorgan - thanks for analysis of Jags game. Glad your team won but still hope for the best for our real jaguars at the Jax zoo.
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By Mondo Fountaine on Jan 11, 2008 10:47 PM ESTThough I tink it's very unfair, however, after he said that would consider Ron Paul as a running mate and Elizabeth when asked also said "absolutely" I don't really care. I don't mean to be obnoxious but I expected more than that from Kucinich.