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Tim Horrigan's endorsement letter for John Edwards in the NH Primary

Written by: Timothy Horrigan on Jan 1, 2008 5:42 PM

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On December 27th, 2007, I sent out a letter endorsing John Edwards for President to several New Hampshire papers. I am not sure if it will get published anywhere: the papers are all glutted with letters. The Portsmouth Herald sent me an auto-reply a few days later indicating that one if its editors had deleted my message unread. Foster's Daily Democrat might run the letter, but they ran another letter of mine (about Barack Obama) in late December.

To the Editor:

When I was in 2nd Grade, I placed a Barry Goldwater bumper sticker on the back of my red wagon, which I pulled all over my neighborhood. I changed parties by the time I was in high school, but I still believe that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! And that is why I am backing John Edwards in the Democratic Presidential Primary: he is committed with all his heart and soul to the defense of liberty and the pursuit of justice. John Edwards does not believe in the tired old Democratic Party politics of triangulation and me-too-ism. He has a strong progressive agenda for rebuilding America and restoring our freedoms. He is the only candidate talking explicitly about halting the hollowing out of our nation's economy. He is the candidate who can best lead us— the American people— into the tough battles which lie ahead of us as we take our nation back from the multinational corporations and the special interests.

My letter was based on a blurb I wrote for the 1st Congressional District delegates' caucuses. (These are used to create lists of potential delegates for each candidate. I finished very far down the list, so I go to Denver this summer only if Edwards wins by a landslide and several people ahead of me on the list decide not to go. Oh yeah, and the candidates he beats would have to drop out of the race altogether rather than merely "suspending" their candidacies.)

Timothy Horrigan

My career in politics began at the age of eight when I placed a Barry Goldwater bumper sticker on the back of my red wagon. Although I still believe that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, I soon realized that I was backing the wrong party. In 1964, Goldwater went on to say, "And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Although John Edwards is not a radical, he also does not believe in moderation in the pursuit of justice. I am supporting John Edwards because he does not believe in the tired Democratic Party politics of triangulation and me-too-ism. He has a strong progressive agenda for rebuilding America. I am especially impressed with him because he is the only candidate talking explicitly about halting the hollowing out of our nation's economy.

Also, as a person whose career as a writer and information technology professional has mostly been spent in work which is not eligible for health insurance, I am very excited about his strong plan for truly universal health care. I spent several years working in the climatic research field, with the Army Corps of Engineers and with a small consulting firm, and I applaud his positions on green energy and global climate change. More recently, I spent some time working in the educational testing industry, and I agree with Senator Edwards that we need to scrap No Child Left Behind and stop the misuse of standardized testing. I live in Durham, where I am a member of the town party committee. When I previously lived in West Lebanon, I served for a year as the chairman of the City of Lebanon's Democratic committee. In 1988, I was a staffer for the Dukakis for President committee. One of the highlights of my Dukakis experience was being part of the crew which was in charge of visibility on the floor of the Atlanta convention. I would be honored to be a delegate at the Denver convention 20 years later.

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By Suzanne Harris on Jan 4, 2008 12:30 AM

Cheers for Howard tonight and his commentaries.  He's still first.

Now it's time to send Edwards some cash.

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By * cChalfonte* on Jan 4, 2008 12:49 AM

Well done, Barak Obama and I'm glad to see that Edwards at least made second.  I agree with Rich K's analysis on the previous thread.

rdorgan, do we need to peel you off the ceiling?:))

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm saddened but not surprised that the fundie won the Republican vote, {{sigh}}

Someone mentioned that Gov. Dean looked badly.....probably just tired.  Hopefully, he can catch up on some rest.

Go Dems.....on to the White House:)! 

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By floridagal . on Jan 4, 2008 12:51 AM

I remembered this post called Hope of the Web from 2006.   It was a review of Crashing the Gate.   There were some interesting parts about Howard's influence.  He sure looked tired tonight,  I hear.  We did not watch the returns, just watched a movie.   I guess he must be tired after 3 years on this job.   But he deserves much credit.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/60

"The birth of the new movement led by Daily Kos came in 2003 with the unexpected emergence of Howard Dean as a presidential candidate. Since that campaign provided both the technological and spiritual inspiration of much that came later, it's important to reconsider what Dean's venture was (and was not) about. It rose in the shadows of the Bush ascendancy in the years following September 11, when very few people—certainly not presidential candidates with an eye to getting elected—were willing to challenge the White House directly. In that situation, Howard Dean's forthrightness, especially his willingness to strongly oppose the war in Iraq, united many people worried that Bush had succeeded in stifling dissent.

"But it's also important to realize that Dean wasn't particularly liberal. In his years as governor of Vermont he'd earned a reputation as a moderate in social and fiscal policy, addressing health care for children, for instance, but frustrating local activists by refusing to take up a more comprehensive medical plan. Bernie Sanders, the former mayor of Burlington who is now the only independent member of the House of Representatives, is a Vermont liberal. Dean is not. What mattered in Dean's case was his open manner and his willingness to risk making clear statements about Iraq. In their book, Armstrong and Moulitsas—who are widely known on the Internet by their shorthand names Jerome and Kos—retell the story of the campaign's early days, especially Dean's speech to the California Democratic Party in March 2003. He followed the well-known candidates, who trimmed and tacked:"

(More at the link)

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By seashell on Jan 4, 2008 12:56 AM

Lest we forget the even bigger issues.

A Grassy Knoll in Pakistan

By: Peter ChamberlinAll things have come full circle in the mountains of Pakistan.  The “great game” has been played-out.  The cycle of death which we unleashed upon the world there, bringing the  war on terrorism home to us, now draws us inexorably into the vacuum of its violent ending.  The convulsions now wracking that country threaten to become a revolutionary explosion capable of bringing down the foundations of the world.

The rapidly building democratic-revolution is now entering the “critical mass” stage.   Its expansion is accelerating beyond human control.  The assassination of Benazir Bhutto was a calculated risk, intended to derail democracy in Pakistan because Islamic extremists were making the democratic transition from militias into political parties.  For this reason, it is unlikely that she was assassinated by real Islamists, true Taliban.  It is more likely that the hit on Bhutto was connected to the Administration’s getting the “green light” (the day before the attack), to move large numbers of Special Forces “trainers” into the tribal regions. 

Even though Bhutto was allegedly stirring the cauldron, “...demanding after returning to Pakistan that the ISI be restructured; and in a press conference during her house arrest in Lahore in November she went as far as asking Pakistan army officers to revolt against the army chief,”  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7709   recent revelations by various neocon-men points to a covert US plan to eliminate her. 

"A large number of ISI agents who are responsible for helping the Taliban and al-Qaeda should be thrown in jail or killed. What I think we should do in Pakistan is a parallel version of what Iran has run against us in Iraq: giving money [and] empowering actors. Some of this will involve working with some shady characters, but the alternative - sending US forces into Pakistan for a sustained bombing campaign - is worse," Steve Schippert was quoted as saying a November 2007 issue of Weekly Standard.  (1.   Steve Schippert  |  November 28, 2007 at 12:39 am “For what it’s worth, the author attributed a comment to me that I did not make in the Weekly Standard article. While I ascribe fully to what the unnamed intelligence source who actually said it did in fact say, they are not my words.”)  click here

Musharref seems to be laboring under the illusion that the United States government supports his efforts to contain the building political explosion, when, in fact, the explosion of Pakistan is what the neocon traitors have been waiting for.  With big “events” come big opportunities.  Bush does not intend to do anything to help him stave off the inevitable.  Their aim, all along, has been to plan for the day after the catastrophic event, for the day when their real plans could be fully implemented.  The Pakistani leader let their ceaseless warnings about the day after move him into cooperating with them, in allowing the new expansion of the war into Pakistan.   The actual neocon objective, according to Professor Michel Chossudovsky, is: 

“...fomenting social, ethnic and factional divisions and political fragmentation, including the territorial breakup of Pakistan. This course of action is also dictated by US war plans in relation to both Afghanistan and Iran.                                  

This US agenda for Pakistan is similar to that applied throughout the broader Middle East Central Asian region. US strategy, supported by covert intelligence operations, consists in triggering ethnic and religious strife, abetting and financing secessionist movements while also weakening the institutions of the central government.                                                                                                          

The broader objective is to fracture the Nation State and redraw the borders of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.”   http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7705 

 

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By Sitka on Jan 4, 2008 12:57 AM

In their book, Armstrong and Moulitsas—who are widely known on the Internet by their shorthand names Jerome and Kos

Neither is on my list of reliable pundits (come to think of it, no pundit is on that list). 

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By Sam Ross on Jan 4, 2008 12:59 AM

A/P December 9, 2007

On Friday: Democrats  made loud calls for the new Justice Department chief, Attorney General Michael Mukasey, to look into whether the CIA violated any laws by tossing the tapes, which reportedly featured interrogators using harsh methods.

(Bush told them NO investigtion!)

On Saturday: WASHINGTON —  The Department of Justice  (Michael Mukasey) and CIA announced  the launch of a joint preliminary inquiry into the destruction of CIA tapes

In response to Saturday's announcement, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., issued a statement saying: “This is the kind of quick response the nation expects and deserves from an Attorney General who puts the rule of law first. It is a refreshing change

But just to be sure ….

The House Intelligence Committee is launching its own inquiry next week

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By Sitka on Jan 4, 2008 1:06 AM

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., issued a statement saying: “This is the kind of quick response the nation expects and deserves from an Attorney General who puts the rule of law first. It is a refreshing change

Schumer's butt was really in the fire there for a while since he put Mukasey in the job. But instead of praising Mukasey he should be warning that a stonewalling coverup will not be tolerated. 

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By seashell on Jan 4, 2008 1:07 AM

Obama said tonight that he would implement tax cuts for the middle class.  I think this is unwise.  I think we should rescind the cuts for the wealthy and greatly reduce our defense budget.  He didn't mention these things at all. 

We need tax increases for god's sake.  Our country is falling apart.

He's disingenuous.  I would be happy to pay more taxes. 

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By Sitka on Jan 4, 2008 1:11 AM

He's disingenuous.  I would be happy to pay more taxes.

I don't know if he has, but I expect Kucinich is the only one forthright enough to call for tax increases. 

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By * cChalfonte* on Jan 4, 2008 1:11 AM

Dang, forgot to say it:

Tonight....OBAMA IS FIRST:)!!!! 

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By * cChalfonte* on Jan 4, 2008 1:17 AM

 some Iowa Entry Polling data:

 

Composition of Democratic caucus-goers:

  • 57% first time caucus goers
  • 40% age 17-44 (was 32% in 2004)
  • 25% Independent/Republican/Other (was 20% in 2004)

-- Mark Blumenthal

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By Sitka on Jan 4, 2008 1:19 AM

Tonight....OBAMA IS FIRST:)!!!!

Got to give him kudos for thoroughly whipping the Clinton/Vilesuck machine. 

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By Denise in San Mateo County on Jan 4, 2008 1:21 AM

No matter how we all feel about tonight, it's historical in that it's the first time that America is taking a black candidate seriously. And that is huge. At least for tonight.

And I agree, we need a national primary day.

Night all

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By Steve*in*Nebraska on Jan 4, 2008 1:41 AM

The "Small-time hope peddler from Chicago" sounded great tonight. He is a gifted speaker, a super organizer, and he has at least a clue about the power and the potential of a dedicated, motivated,and activated citizenry.

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By roger rankin on Jan 4, 2008 1:44 AM

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By Sitka on Jan 4, 2008 1:45 AM

It's just too bad that the first first serious female contender had to be a Republican calling herself a Democrat.

But Democrats are still making history with Obama.

It's funny how my 6 year old daughter has been a huge Hillary fan (I've said nothing to her about it one way or another) but after she learned Obama had won she switched sides and went around chanting, "O-Ba-Ma!" for half an hour. Talk about jumping on the bandwagon!

I've told her she can mark and cast my primary ballot for whomever she wants, so she's pretty excited about that too.

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By seashell on Jan 4, 2008 1:57 AM

I just listened, for the first time, to the interview with Huckabee.  Lordy, he sounds very democratic, disarming, affable and looks like Nixon.   He's cozy and intimate and talks about health care, infrastructure, etc.

He could be a formaidable candidate if his zealotry is kept under wraps - and he's clever enuf to do that, I think.   This is a very dangerous man IMO, and very convincing that he's just like you and me.

We shall see.

 

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By Sitka on Jan 4, 2008 2:07 AM

Reagan and the Bushes proved proved just how formidable even the absolute worst can be.

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By JudyforDean on Jan 4, 2008 2:27 AM

Good morning, BFA!

Congratulations to the Obama supporters. It looks like the first contest falls into his column. But there are 49 to go. Glad to see that Edwards came in second at least. I am not sure whether I agree with the analysis that Hillary's done. She had high negatives going into Iowa and had been advised not even to campaign there. She went in anyway. She has courage; I'll give her that.

REALLY sorry but unsurprised to see that Dodd has dropped out, but he is a realist and that is one thing that drew me to his candidacy. Kucinich is not, and that is one reason why, even though I love his rhetoric, I would only have backed him if he were the Dem nominee, which looks to be pie in the sky. He's the one who should have the fork stuck in him, IMO, but he stays in nonetheless.

sea: you asked who *the Europeans* back ... first of all, there is no such monolith as *the Europeans* ... if you want politics in all stripes and flavors, you'll certainly find them here. Most that I know are bemused that our election process takes such a long time and costs so much, but then is most flawed where it counts: at the final voting stage. No one understands how there is no central voting authority and that there are at least 50 different state voting standards (sometimes things can even vary from county to county). Then there are those who still wonder how it was that when we delegate the voting standards to the States, the Supremes can still come in and wipe out a state supreme court decision that dealt with the management of elections within that state, as happened in 2000. And most especially cannot understand why we don't just use paper ballots.

The credibility of US *democracy* really took a hit with the election of 2000 and all the skulduggery that we have learned about since. Why do we think that political strong men like the leaders of Pakistan and Kenya (both US *friends) think that they can do anything and get away with it? In part, because we set the standard (so to speak) for outrageous political behavior.

I personally believe that many will be enchanted with the idea of Obama being a real contender because most had resigned themself to Hillary (not with trepidation; the Clintons are generally much admired abroad). However, they still don't *know* Obama, and they also do not *know* Edwards, even though he ran as a Veep candidate in 2004.

Unlike us with them, however, the ones I know are pretty much happy to let the chips fall where they may ... so long as it's ABB or any of the nutcase Republics that currently make up the Republic options.

Now off ... I am working today and it's actually past THAT time.

Enjoy the aftermath, everyone. I think that Howard was proud of Iowans.

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By seashell on Jan 4, 2008 2:41 AM

Thanks, Judy.

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By seashell on Jan 4, 2008 3:29 AM

Phil, thank you for all your hard work.  I sent some money to Edwards tonight to hopefully keep him in the race.  Plus he's now my first choice; but I don't like being force fed/left outta the loop.

We shall see. 

 

 

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By seashell on Jan 4, 2008 3:34 AM

Has anyone heard who's on the short list for Obama or Edwards?  Could Obama choose Howard?  Would he?  Maybe Dodd, and what a good choice that would be.

Dodd deserves a cabinet post at the very least.  Dean too.  And Gore could be head of the EPA, altho maybe that's too limiting for him.  Maybe he could be crown prince!  LOL

I get excited thinking about the good dems we have.   

 

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By Phil Specht on Jan 4, 2008 4:45 AM

McCain /Huckabee will be be tough to defeat.

Republicans here had record turnout also; so the ones that caucused with Democrats probably are looking for a new home.

in my tiny sample more new voters and independents went for Obama, and Republicans to Hillary, but had more to do with the local Hillary captain and her organizational skills among friends, but when the physical division was made, just like the polls suggested, more women,older

I asked for a show of hands of people who had ever been elected a delegate before, and got a single digit response.

Iowa still has the problem that two out of three aren't with the winner (yet).

If you have three first class organizations, and strong candidates who campaign hard, and others equally qualified but without the organization, a team beats an individual everytime, and maybe it is because the candidates are used to thinking in terms of "we".

the scariest thing of the night for me was coming home to Mike Huckabee giving the closest to what I consider a winning speech to be (I need a transcript but he articulated that broader vision)

the good news is that  a campaign flush with money that went negative bombed (in Romney) and that should keep it all more positive for awhile

the other good news is that we no longer have a "presumptive nominee" and progressive messages do have resonance

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 5:19 AM

6 degrees Fahrenheit how here in Boston area

(was 2 degress at lowest point last night) 

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 5:27 AM

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the good news is that  a campaign flush with money that went negative bombed (in Romney) and that should keep it all more positive for awhile

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Phil -

Indeed, Romney gets a chamce to redeem him himself.

His negative ad campaigning of late reminded me of the negative ads his protegee, the then Lt Governor Kerry Healey employed against the then dem challenger Deval Patrick, which were almost shades of Willy Horton in character.

The MA voters on election day voted for Deval for Governor and some exit pollers said they voted against negative campaigning by the repub Healey.  Most voted FOR somone -- Deval.  Many were new to voting for the first time (and many of those for the first time in a long time).

Iowans have impressed me greatly with this election cycle -- turning out in huge numbers(especially the dems) and voting FOR rather than AGAINST someone.

BTW - Have you and your son been able to catch your breath yet ?

Obama/Edwards '08 (IMO that's the winning dem ticket that could beat McCain/Huckabee)

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 5:30 AM

typo - chamce  s/b - chance

2. cChalfonte -

Thanks for the nice comment.

(and please everyone excuse my spelling mistakes today if they are more than normal -- it's hard for me to contain my excitement [smile])

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By Monica Smith on Jan 4, 2008 5:32 AM

good morning, everybody

It was a good choice to go to bed early at my usual time.

There was a message in my mail box from Chris Dodd. 

I'm glad that I'm no longer personally invested in a candidate.

More time for our Senate race.  

I still think an Obama/Dodd ticket would be unbeatable and leave Dodd in the Senate. 

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 5:37 AM

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Agreed, Obama/Dodd would make for a great ticket too.

Do you think that McCain will trump Romney in New Hampshire next Tuesday ?

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By Phil Specht on Jan 4, 2008 6:33 AM

the caucus is the start of my main effort which is the platform

I'm not sure I am articulating correctly what it is that attracts a movement and makes it a successsful one, but it is about making it about two things, the future and the voters.

the three highly qualified candidates that didn't gain traction were more into what they stood for, and I kind of think democracy is partly about what the voters aspire to, and about what how that resonantes with a message because it isn't about the messenger alone

put together the best of the remaining three and you would have an unbeatable and very core Democratic message

change yes but change that lifts, that inspires, that achieves

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By Phil Specht on Jan 4, 2008 6:46 AM

I get to enjoy the company of my son for a few more days before he heads back to school, haven't seen much of him as he was working tirelessly for Obama, but it was worth it to see the grin on his face last night.

next the circus comes to a town near you

the Ringling Bros. grew up a block from our caucus site, and my job running the show last night sure was easier with an enthusiastic crowd

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By Phil Specht on Jan 4, 2008 7:18 AM

Monica

You chose a man that has everything that it takes to be a good President, what was lacking was how you translate that into a campaign rather than a candidate. good effort, I know the Dodds appreciated it, and even enjoyed their time in the race, after they get over the disappointment 

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 7:19 AM

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Good to hear you have some quality time with your son before he heads back to college (those young 'uns, they did it !)

Well, to me, Hillary has four days to apologize for her 2003 vote to authorize Bush to go to war in Iraq -- that's her only really HOPE of being some kind of CHANGE agent and, especially, of redeeming herself.

Short of that -- IMO she will also lose New Hampshire.

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 7:20 AM

typo - that's her only really HOPE

s/b - that's her only real HOPE

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By volney simmons on Jan 4, 2008 7:33 AM

Something interesting to watch in NH: Ron Paul got 10% in Iowa, beating Giuliani by more than 2 to 1. Ron Paul is well liked in NH, where there are lots of libertarians.

If Paul finishes ahead of Romney or even comes close, Romney is probably done.

Both McCain and Paul have nothing to lose by having hordes of people with flip-flops at Romney rallies.

After 2004, the flip-flop might actually be perceived as the official shoe of Massachusetts. ;-)

As for Hilly, I think what dawned on people in Iowa was summed up by a young woman who was nominally a Hillary supporter but was reassessing: "We had a Bush and a Clinton and another Bush and now another Clinton? I don't know, maybe we need someone different."

Barack Obama is that candidate, even though I resist the notion we are electing a black candidate when someone like Charlie Rangel still wouldn't stand a chance. We are electing a mixed race canddate but that's a good start.

Obama's the only Dem who could beat a McCain-Huckabee ticket, IMO.

-- volney

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 7:41 AM
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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 7:45 AM

Now that Iowa and the rest of the nation has gotten to see the real Mitt Romney (he was too scared to try to run for re-election in MA after only one term serving [even moderate repubs in MA have been turned off to him], so he set his sights on the big kahuna -- the Presidency), what do you all think of him ?

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By rich^kolker on Jan 4, 2008 7:57 AM

A couple of short comments.

I think Iowa voted for the appearance of change over real change last night, but so be it.

With Edwards I think we get real change.  With Obama, there's a chance of real change (if he turns out to be a different President than he is a Senator, which happens).  With Hillary, business as usual.

Edwards challenge (and I know I said he was done last night) is keeping people like me saying he's done, when it was hard to get the MSM to treat him as top tier even when he was leading in Iowa polls!

Hill's not done, but if she loses NH (which could happen) then it's a deep hole to climb out of.

Obama's win in Iowa could hurt McCain in NH (you heard that right).  Both are counting at turning out the Indies, and right now Obama has more pizzazz, and is more likely to do so.  But remember this: McCain won every demographic category, including conservatives, in NH in 2000, so the idea that he can't win with just Republicans is not true, at least in New Hampshire.

To everyone else on the Democratic side -- thanks for running.  You got caught up in a unique election which only had room for one "white guy".  Keep raising the issues to keep those still in honest.  Don't go endorsing anyone too quickly. 

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 8:07 AM

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rich -

Obama is half-white, so I don't exactly get your point about --

 To everyone else on the Democratic side -- thanks for running.  You got caught up in a unique election which only had room for one "white guy".   ?

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By Michael Ellis on Jan 4, 2008 8:16 AM

OK........as I wanst feeling well last night...I refused to watch the Iowa carcasses, and only got thru the first half hour of Forest Gump................so................who won last night?

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By Michael Ellis on Jan 4, 2008 8:20 AM

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Sounds like Obama won last nite...............I agree with you Rich, but again the random element is we are dealing with the American voter, who will vote purely on image and not substance alot of the time..thats why we get stuck with Ronald Reagans and George Bush'.............now IF Obama gets the nomination and wins this may not be the case, but I think Obama to me so far is telling the people what they want to hear, and they are so easily misled..................

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By Michael Ellis on Jan 4, 2008 8:24 AM

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First off, congratulations on Obamas win............as for Romney, he didnt fool me from day one....to me he appeared to be a nice,,clean cut liar.............his sons not going to fight in Bush' war was another example how many of these people think................of course, the thought of Huckleberry coming close to the WH is chilling................what a scary place we live in.

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 8:28 AM

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Mike -

Thanks.

IMO an Obama/Edwards ticket in '08 would remind me of the real vice president in JFK's term - RFK.  RFK provided his attorney general muscle, in tandem with his brother's arching/unifying ability to bring a nation together.

I miss those two brothers greatly.

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By rich^kolker on Jan 4, 2008 8:39 AM

rdorgan,

You know what I meant.  Tiger Woods is also multiracial, but to most Americans he's black.

A certain number of folks go to Hillary because she's a woman.  A certain number of people go to Obama because he's (okay half) African American.  That narrowed the available cache of votes for everyone else (even Richardson, who's Hispanic, but that didn't seem "cool enough" I guess).  Edwards had been in Iowa since 2004, so he got almost all of them, which just kept him even with Obama and Hillary.

Where the Obama campaign really surprised me was organization.  They turned their people out in a way that if Dean had done it four years ago, he'd be President now.  I think Obama took a lot of lessons from the Dean campaign (on how NOT to turn out the youth vote) and it paid off for them.  There's no question his margin was new caucus goers.  That is unique in history. 

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By rich^kolker on Jan 4, 2008 8:40 AM

Oh,

And I think regularly about how different this country would be today if Sirhan had missed. 

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By Michael Ellis on Jan 4, 2008 8:41 AM

Something was going on tonight between Obama and Michelle.  She wasn't standing with him and he looked pained.  Something is going on......

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I dunno seashell..........I was asleep in bed as I wasnt feeling well.............I just watched a bit of the speech on line..........well, at least her demeanour was betetr this time and she smiled a bit..........of course, the taste of victory is always sweet...................

personally, from what I have gathered from a few statements of hers, she reminds me of laura Bush in early 2000...............not really appearing interested in the job of First lady...........thats my take right now anyways..........

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 8:48 AM
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rdorgan,

You know what I meant.  Tiger Woods is also multiracial, but to most Americans he's black.

A certain number of folks go to Hillary because she's a woman.  A certain number of people go to Obama because he's (okay half) African American. 

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rich -

fair enough.

All I know is the people I know supporting Obama are like me -- doing it FOR him regardless of what his skin color is. 

Yes organization won last night and I so wish that Howard Dean had had that type of organization four years ago -- then we wouldn't have had to suffer through another four years of the worst American president in history.

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and yes, I wish Sirhan had missed, as well as wish Oswald and Ray had missed too.

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 8:54 AM

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Mike -

So, I see you've answered my question "his wife" - just who are you refrring to ?

Michelle smiles quite a lot:

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 8:55 AM

typo - his wife" - just who are you refrring to ?

s/b - his wife" - just who are you referring to ?

(sorry about the spelling typos this morning, I'm lucky I can even type, I'm so excited)

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By rae hart on Jan 4, 2008 8:56 AM

I really really wish everyone would stop talking about Obama's skin color - it has no relevance.

As far as Michelle is concerned she is wonderful.  A couple of days ago on CSPAN they showed her speech and talking with residents at a Rest Home.  She was amazing.  She is not cold like some say, she took time with every resident, and was really listening to what they were saying.  The people loved her.

On CSPAN this morning a caller asked America to please give Obama the chance to fulfill Bobby Kennedy's dream.

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By dog soldier on Jan 4, 2008 8:59 AM

I think the case can be made that economic populism won on both sides. Obama may be the change agent, but he made his economic populist message a larger part of his spiel. This allowed him to co-opt Edwards’ message. Huckabee was more pragmatic as Governor then he is given credit for. He is a socially conservative on religious issues but is more moderate in his views of the arts. He is a conservative to moderate economic candidate. McCain could very win NH, which puts the Repubs in a very difficult spot. The conservatives will have trouble-supporting McCain as progressives have trouble-supporting Hillary. Edwards support for the war and McCain’s love for the war will tend to neutralize each other.
The only way I see a Dem winning the election is with Obama as the candidate. I see Edwards loosing to Huckabee but beating McCain because Edwards has acknowledged his Iraq War vote was a mistake and does have a strong populist message. He looses because of the right-wing support to Huckabee. I see Hillary losing to both Huckabee and McCain as her triangulation; centralist position is not as strong as the position held by the two Repubs.
The key to the Dems is the progressives must offset the conservatives in both body counts and financial support.
I remember 2000 very well after Bush won the Repub nomination. I was part of the McCain movement and moved back to the Dems. I knew the strength of the Repub Party then as we know the strength of the Repub Party now. We all laughed at Bush and because of the Nine Supremes, we didn’t laugh very long. The laughter quickly turned to sorrow.
The most important thing to do now is support Howard in the 50 state campaigns. We could very well lose the WH but it is imperative we get 60 Dem Senators (61 if we count Liebermann). The DcDems have to be shoved aside and this can only happen if Hillary is not the candidate. We must make Repubs defend their turf everywhere and be forced to defend their actions. If Repubs are not challenged everywhere, then they can simply keep their divisive, fear-mongering nonsense rolling.
Go get’em Howard.

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By * rdorgan on Jan 4, 2008 9:03 AM

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rae hart -

Well stated about Michelle (who's warm personality and listening skills is what helped seal the deal for her husband with a lot of Iowan voters -- that's why in the selling business, she can be called The Closer).

and you're right, this election is about CHANGE and who really has the ability to bring that about in America -- I think the dem caucus goers last night have decided correctly

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By Michael Ellis on Jan 4, 2008 9:05 AM

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Now, I really mean this when I say this..but thanks for this post. The only time or times I have seen her she appeared mean, frustrated and almost jealous of her husband..perhaps these campaign do this to people........plus the fact that word leaked out that if Obama lost this one it was a one and done deal, which makes me doubt both of their loyalty to the cause............

Again, the rand