I would say about 80% of the political posts I read on the web would define the authors as 'terrorists' under this bill.

What the * were the Representatives thinking? Did they even *read* this thing or did they just go by the title?

the bunch of loonies will vote for anything to make them look patriotic.

get going on your senator.

I just read the bill. It protects the constitutional rights in tact. go and read the bill.

Peace

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lGwwwobHPBg

I think the you tube blog up load feature is broken.

Deans are of course first!

Listen to this video and the FOX attacks on Edwards and Obama.

There is a letter to sign there also thanking both of them for resisting the attacks meant to draw them to their sick channel for "interviews."

http://foxattacks.com/senators?utm_source=rgemail

joan, thanks for the info on fox. those guys are really wacko.

chris wallace looks like a clown. his dad  must be so embarressed.

you like someone being a bold face liar? right to your face.

Mika calls out the ol huckster, that guy is a laugh a minute.

Hey Fred - if you're out there and read the comments on the last topic -- just remember:  Nobody bothers to kick a 'dead horse'. : )

Did I see that CNN says immigration will be a priority?  No way. But the Repulicans might want it that way.

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Dec. 5-9, 2007 National Priorities in order:  War in Iraq 25%: Economy jobs 12%;  Health care 7%: Immigration 4%.

And the Approval rating for Democrats in Congress is:   ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Dec. 6-9, 2007 Democrats Congress:  Approve 40%: Disapprove 53%:  Unsure 6%

The American people can distinguish between the Democrats and the RepubliCANTS in Congress - even with the media blitz 'blaming the Democrats'. : )

7.3 Quake in Martinique...is that Mt. Pelee???

Why is it that the comments on an important issue like this gets gummed up with spam for other topics?

The paranoid might think the off-topic posts are trying to disrupt discussion about the primary topic.

Either that or bring attention to less important issues by trying to ride them on the coat-tails of something more important, sort of like pork added onto an otherwise righteous congressional bill.

HR 1955 does not protect constitutional rights. There's a huge loophole at the beginning of the 'constitutional rights' section, where it starts out by saying 'In general...' This could be legally interpreted as, say, oppressing 20% of the population is 'okay' because the other 80% isn't oppressed and so 'in general', constitutional rights have been protected.

You can't just skim this stuff; legal documents have to be carefully dissected to find the loopholes, because you just KNOW that TPTB are going to exploit every loophole they can.

The language of this bill is so vague you could drive an aircraft carrier through the holes that would allow it to be used for oppression.

Hey Fred - if you're out there and read the comments on the last topic -- just remember:  Nobody bothers to kick a 'dead horse'. : )

He'd probably call you an epithet for calling him a dead horse. 

You guys need to write your senators and urge them to not support this bill.

Otherwise you may become 'terrorists' next year; the word will have been legally redefined to include you because of your views critical of the government which you've already posted on the web.

Bill HR1955 passed with 404 of our Democrates and Republicans in House of Representatives in our House recently and is on its way to the Senate.

Tell me again why having Democrats in charge is better? 

It's time for everyone who hasn't yet to face up to the fact that the DCDems do not give a rat's rump about representing liberals, or even most Democrats -- not even most Americans. They barely even qualify as what was once called moderate Republicans.

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Sitka
Wed, 12/19/07


...All I know is that he didn't support the invasion, but has supported the occupation.
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There is no principal difference between both.
Can have either both or none.

independent, I am calling my senator webb but I don't know if his brain has been replaced by jello. he is voting all over the place.

and the fact that we don't stay on topic is at time troubling but that is what we do here.

all over the place.

thanks for your info.

CLEVELAND - The youngest brother of Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich was found dead at his home Wednesday.

Perry Kucinich, 52, was found face down by another brother, Larry, at about 9 a.m., said Powell Caesar, a spokesman for the Cuyahoga County Coroner's office.

There were no signs of foul play, Caesar said.

I just read the bill. It protects the constitutional rights in tact. go and read the bill.

The very pretentious and fearmongering name of  this bill damns it.

Regardless of what is or isn't in the fine print of this bill, we don't need any more damned patriot laws about imaginary terrorists in our midst. 

What we need is a party that will put its foot down and say enough of this fear mongering as an excuse to spy on Americans and manipulate our politics and freedoms. 

Sitak - you're a 'hoot'. : )

It's about these polls?

December 19: ABC News/Washington Post Poll of Iowa:  Obama  33% support, Clinton  29%; John Edwards 20%.

There is no principal difference between both.
Can have either both or none.

I won't waste my time trying defend votes to fund the occupation. 

It's about these polls?

They seem to be all over the place. Pick the one you like. Since I'm not a supporter, I don't need to.

Raising the Minimum Wage - H.R. 2

Democrats:  This bill increases the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour over two years. Increasing the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour brings a pay raise for up to 13 million Americans.
Status: Passed January 10, 2007
The President signed into law on May 25 as part of the revised 2007 supplemental funding bill,

Democrats:  This bill increases the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour over two years. Increasing the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour brings a pay raise for up to 13 million Americans.

Yeah, they put into one of their capitulations to Bush on occuption funding -- and it only raises the MR to what it should have bee at least ten years ago. You'd think they would have sold out for more. 

Democrats: Repealing Big Oil Subsidies/Investing in Renewable Fuels - H.R. 6 
This bill invests in clean, renewable energy and energy efficiency by repealing billions in subsidies given to big oil companies that are raking in record profits.
Status: Passed January 18, 2007

Will probably be vetoed by el capitano presidente...

linda b
Wed, 12/19/07

Webb has really disappointed...and disappeared. He seems to have really crawled into a hole. Voted for Iraq funding and blank check for bush yesterday. He can kiss netroots money goodbye. I guess he feels he is now a DC insider and can stiff the people who got him there.

BTW, sorry to see Forgit didn't win. I know you worked hard on that one. It's a tough District. Is he going to run next year?

Sitka
Wed, 12/19/07

Remember the 100 hours agenda? I think only minimum wage was signed, cuz it was tacked onto blood money. The rest has been jettisoned along the capitulating way.

Go ahead and post all the ultimate failures you want. It's your time.

It's stopping Bush and the repeated rapes of the Constitution where Democrats have not only failed, but appear complicit.

Remember the 100 hours agenda? I think only minimum wage was signed, cuz it was tacked onto blood money. The rest has been jettisoned along the capitulating way

What started out as cosmetic accomplishments have turned out to be lipstick on a pig.

(I'll give Edwards half credit for that zinger.) 

Sam

that isn't quite the Energy Bill that passed, Bush threatened to veto that one

big oil came through, and solar lost in the version he signed

beats the heck out of anything the reThugs would have passed, half of what it could have been

I, and I think most who did so, voted Democratic in the last election because we wanted them to stand up to and stop Bush rather than pass bills he can sign.

Phil Specht
Wed, 12/19/07

Corn farmers are happy! But less than half was gained. Is a quarter loaf better than nothing? Only if we can get some of those back next year which is highly unlikely. This was like peeing on a fire.

My thoughts go out to Dennis Kucinich, and family, for the loss of their brother.
Congressman Kucinich is the strongest patriot serving in the U.S. House during this disasterous fascist rule. A giant of a human with momentous ideas.

Strength through Peace.

Kucinich/Feingold '08

Corn farmers are happy!

But not people who will have pay higher prices for food due to it being turned into fuel. 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - One-quarter of women voters in New Hampshire say they will cast their ballot in next month's presidential primary election based on the results of the Iowa caucus a few days earlier, a survey showed on Wednesday.

The women said if their favorite candidate for the presidential nomination did not win on January 3 in Iowa, they would vote for someone else in the January 8 New Hampshire primary, the Lifetime/Zogby poll found.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071219/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_women_dc_1 

This is why people running for President live in Iowa for a year before the caucuses.  What is wrong with you people!  Have an opinion, don't just follow the herd! 

Don't blame Iowa for what people do in states after Iowa.

This is why people running for President live in Iowa for a year before the caucuses.  What is wrong with you people!  Have an opinion, don't just follow the herd!

National primary. 

Don't blame Iowa for what people do in states after Iowa.

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Did I see that CNN says immigration will be a priority?  No way. But the Repulicans might want it that way.

CNN and their Repug pusher is Lou Dobbs who started this sh*t more than a year ago when it became apparent that abortion and gays were just not going to cut it again for the Repugs. So Dobbs thought he could kick up a little support by making an issue of immigration and sent back a lot of Dem votes to Mexico at the same time.

The polls show that the only voter who are buying into any of it are no doubt a few of those Dobbs supporters.

We really need to get some interest up in boycotting CNN much like Edwards and Obama and some of the other candidates are doing and did in Nevada and Detroit.

MSNBC is at least attempting to make the playing field eve with Olbermann and Matthews though I sometimes wonder about the latter. They need to be rewarded, CNN needs to be avoided like the plague.

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There is a two billion bushel surplus of corn this year.

Wheat which has not been used at all for ethanol has a 20 some day global supply projected before the next harvest in the Southern Hemisphere.

get your facts straight about what is causing higher food prices  ... it is the oil companies and producers and the sky high price of energy/transportation/packaging from oil

ethanol eases that

linda b

I agree with all your posts. Good luck in getting some training down there where it is needed and where they too should be rewarded for their/your hard work.

Phil, I'm not blaming Iowa.  I'm blaming the voters in every state that comes after Iowa.

And Sitka, if we had a national primary, whoever had the most name recognition and could afford the most TV ads in major markets would win.  There would be no chance for a Howard Dean or Jimmy Carter to build a campaign from the bottom up.  The result would be an even greater likelyhood of a DCDem getting the nomination.

the biggest cause of higher oil prices is the occupation of Iraq and threatening war with Iran

next is the tax cut caused deficit and our trade deficit caused by the high oil in great part leading to a devalued dollar

ethanol as a domestic product is the cure not the disease

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We really need to get some interest up in boycotting CNN much like Edwards and Obama and some of the other candidates are doing and did in Nevada and Detroit.

I meant to add like they did to FOX NEWS in Nevada and Detroit.

Wake up, back to the kitchen with me.

there is still 30 million acres in the Reserve

the day will come when biofuels will compete for food and be a problem but it is a decade or more down the road

we lose more land to development daily and if food availability is your true concern and not mouthing oil company talking points you would focus on land use planning first

"A plant able to produce 100 million gallons of ethanol a year probably is going to increase corn prices at least 10 to 12 cents per bushel within 10 to 15 ...

But demand from ethanol plants has boosted corn consumption, tightened supplies and lifted prices to some of the highest levels in 10 years.

Increased demand for corn by U.S. ethanol producers might push prices high enough that these transportation costs are more easily surmounted. ...

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Clinton Can No Longer Count on California Win in Primary as Race Narrows According to Field Poll

Some Very Interesting Numbers Indeed Below the Hood of This Survey

By Frank D. Russo

The California Field Poll has just released a survey taken between December 10 and 17 that shows Hillary Clinton’s once 25 point edge in California has declined to 14% over Barack Obama, and that if third place John Edwards were to drop out of the race, it would be even closer. Virtually all of the movement in the poll comes from a drop in support from Clinton from October when she had the support of 45% of likely primary voters to 36% in the latest survey and an increase in undecided Democratic primary voters to 20%, up from 14% previously. ...full post and Field Poll link: http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/...

the day will come when biofuels will compete for food and be a problem but it is a decade or more down the road

So do as always and put the problem off until it's imminent so that ADM can rake in billions on subsidies in the meantime?

rich

the sheeple effect is real, I grant that, but this is not the general election it is the allocation of delegates to the nominating convention in Denver

and as such party rules very clearly give every single primary voter exactly the same weight

and I know you weren't blaming Iowa, but I do get tired of people that do, without acknowledging their complicity by failing to be involved in their state

we lose more land to development daily and if food availability is your true concern and not mouthing oil company talking points you would focus on land use planning first

Gore Iowa's subsidy ox and Phil turns nasty. 

this is not the general election it is the allocation of delegates to the nominating convention in Denver

Time to dump the corrupt old insider system and let the people choose their nominees direct. 

I have never argued for subsidies other than those needed to counter other countries and make a level playing field.

I would impose a $50,000 limit if I could wave a wand (like Sen. Grassley originally proposed)

tariffs on foreign product subsidized overseas add directly to the cost of food and are the other fair way to level the playing field

I have never argued for subsidies other than those needed to counter other countries and make a level playing field.

Your visceral reaction to links from a wide variety of sources could be misconstrued, I suppose.

Time to dump the corrupt old insider system and let the people choose their nominees direct. 

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or use it to prevent a sheeple stampede. 

Sitka: "Regardless of what is or isn't in the fine print of this bill, we don't need any more damned patriot laws about imaginary terrorists in our midst. What we need is a party that will put its foot down and say enough of this fear mongering as an excuse to spy on Americans and manipulate our politics and freedoms"

 The sad thing is on September 1, 2001 you would have said the same thing.  It is as if the death and destruction, which site I visited in NYC this last weekend,  never happened.  And before the attack they lived "in our midst" for more than two years.  Have the courage to admit it.  You would not have believed they were here then and you are sure they a imaginary today.   

The name opposite the Democratic Party on is chosen in Denver. The Party Chair is Howard Dean.

everyone of you within party rules have the exact same say as an Iowan

or use it to prevent a sheeple stampede.

Only you Iowans can protect the people from themselves?

Your contempt for Democratic voters belies any professed belief in democracy. 

everyone of you within party rules have the exact same say as an Iowan

Unless half or more of the candidates are weeded out before we even get to vote.  And first you say we are sheeple who can't be trusted to choose the nominee and then you say we do get to choose the nominee. Make up your mind.

Defending the indefensible creates a tangled web. 

Your contempt for Democratic voters

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my high regard for democratic voters lead me to believe that when the vote comes to their state they will be able to use their own values to pick the candidate they suppport whenever their primary happens and if they don't it is their own fault

of course it doesn't help that the "news" is Brittney's little sister or a years old murder

I tend to blame the media for the failure to report that every voter has the exact same influence on the nomination if they exercise it

 The sad thing is on September 1, 2001 you would have said the same thing.

That's post 9-11 thinking. In other words, fear mongering. 

But hey, if it's all ya got.......... 

when do you vote Sitka?

do you really think your Secretary of State will remove names from your ballot based on Iowa?