Home » Blog » Hillary Clinton echoes Bush-Cheney Iran War rhetoric (w/video...
Blog for America
Hillary Clinton echoes Bush-Cheney Iran War rhetoric (w/video)
Hillary Clinton says she is standing up to Bush and Cheney, but she repeats their rationales for war with stunning precision. If Hillary can't stand up to the Republican war propaganda on Iran, how can we trust her to stand up to their war policies on Iran?
Hillary Clinton says that she favors preventing a "rush to war" -- but what is the opposite of a "rush to war"? A "leisurely stroll"? No thanks. In 2002, Hillary said she opposed a "rush to war" with Iraq -- but she still supported the war with Iraq.
Let's send a loud and clear message to the establishment that we won't take any more of their wars. Please share these videos with friends and family who will vote in the Democratic primary. Here are the YouTube URLs:
"Trust Hillary on Iran?" / (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoXVLFVCG0)
"Rush to War with Iran?" / (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2StQsXTy19c)
Show: Expand All Reply
Hillary AWOL on Farm Bill Reform by Pamela Drew
The Senate begins voting on the Farm Bill this afternoon. The current subsidies are nothing but corporate welfare with over 50% going to the 22 Congressional Districts whose members sit on the Agriculture Committee. ...full article: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
This blog's clock and comment count are broken. When you post a comment please place a number at the top of your post along with the time and date of your post.
[see examples]
#32
3/30/2007
3:32 EST
Thank you,
The blog for America's blog Threaders.
I'm pretty discouraged that the DLC is so firmly in control, and driving the Democratic Party over a cliff.
The "Democratic Wing" has been marginalized and consigned to the "lunatic Fringe" by the Cintonistas, Obamites, and the GOP-lite DC democrats.
And of course, Howard has been silenced, despite his occasional progressive statements.
Sigh..............................
I'm pretty discouraged that the DLC is so firmly in control, and driving the Democratic Party over a cliff.
The "Democratic Wing" has been marginalized and consigned to the "lunatic Fringe" by the Cintonistas, Obamites, and the GOP-lite DC democrats.
And of course, Howard has been silenced, despite his occasional progressive statements.
Sigh..............................
John wrote "The 'Democratic Wing' has been marginalized and consigned to the 'lunatic Fringe' by the Cintonistas, Obamites, and the GOP-lite DC democrats."
Get the man some more material. If I see these posts anymore, I'm going to have to support Clinton then. John, every time I see "the GOP-lite DC democrats" I know what it is. PLEASE Save us.
8.
It's all the man has Tom. Bashing ALL Democrats is his sport. I can only guess what the rest of his reasons are but it's not worth the trouble.
I'm just kidding around, Joan. People's obssessions don't really bother me.
John likes some Democrats, Feingold and Kucinich in particular.
9.
Independent Progressive
Sun, 12/16/07
...there is a problem with attempting to dismantle government (as Ron Paul seems to wish) at this particular point in history.
That problem is multi-national corporations.
The multinationals rival, and in many cases exceed (eg: Niger, as an obvious case), the power and influence of national governments. And multinationals greatly exceed the power of individuals...They can be, in a way, a modern equivalent of feudal baronies.
If you remove the power of those governments that remain strong enough to rein in multinational corporate interests, you leave the corporations as the sole standing sources of aggregated individual power, countered only, potentially, by religious hierarchies.
As such, corporations could run roughshod over the individual interests of people and abscond with the benefits of 'the commons'--those elements of culture and environment that we all share and take for granted, such as air and water and environmental cleanliness, and infrastructures we pay for but rarely think of such as roads.
Without a government capable of enforcing the rule of law, corporations would abscond with the resources of the 'commons', justifying themselves with the thought that if they don't do so promptly, somebody else (another corporation) will.
The corporations, then, become the last surviving 'government' and a 'government' whose primary mission isn't the welfare of the populace but is whatever mission statement has been chosen to guide the company's strategy and make the *company*, as an entity, profit. This generally translates to profit for the board of directors and the top tier of management, with little to no benefit for the 'workers'--the general population.
...if you too greatly reduce the power of government in our current environment, you'd wind up with a kind of 'financial feudalism'--corporate investment-class 'lords' at the top, and worker-serfs below--which falls somewhere in the 'fascist' spectrum (using the original definition of fascism as 'business interests running the government'...)
In such a system, the 'laws' would tend to enforce maintenance of this hierarchy, the establishment of rigid classes, and reduction of the opportunity for individual 'bounders' to rise via merit (or to acquire 'merit' such as by getting a good education).
So, Ron Paul may be admirable for his idealism and a desire to restore greater autonomy (and accountability) to individuals--a goal with which I agree. But I believe the approach he has chosen--minimizing government--would ultimately prove to be counter to his goals.
-----------
Such a detailed description of something which IS...ALREADY HAPPENED!
The "governments that remain strong enough to rein in multinational corporate interests" (when btw, they "rein in..." last time you remember?) - HAS ALREADY BECOME "multinational corporate Government".
What you are describing as "tomorrow" HAS ALREADY ARRIVED!!!
Then you probably may want to reconsider Ron Paul's suggestions!!!
Independent Progressive should read Adam Smith and Think.
It is teh government that empowers teh Corporations. Take away the Corporate legal Charter and the go puff! It is the control of governement that sustains these corporations. A government accountable to the People will not have this corporate problem. Ron Paul's solution to limit the Federal Governement doesn't limit State and Local government.
The Feds will not be able to override local business rules to benefit International Corporations as they do now. Local and State government can expand as the Fed contracts and being closer to the People are more accountable. County's should be running schools not The Congress.
The Feds should be protecting the Constitution not violating it!
14
6:08PM MST
Sorry Susan, forgot to post time above. :(
Edwards says in morning interview that his intention of what needs to happen about corporate control was a point of contention at the board of the DesMoines Reg.
I guess the board didn't have any such worries about Obama disturbing the status quo.
On Nov. 5, supporters of Ron Paul raked in more than $4.2 million in donations in 24 hours, mostly of them collected over the Internet.
Today, they're at it again. Hoping to detonate what they call a "money bomb," the supporters started fundraising at midnight Saturday and have already raised $2 million as of about 10:30 a.m. today, more than at this point on Nov. 5, according to figures they posted online. They hope to collect a total of $10 million by midnight Sunday....
......................... Want to donate? Go to: http://www.teaparty07.com/This is unbelievable. Yes, Sulpher, the very thing they are adding more and more to our food to preserve it. Something I too am allergic to.
Things that can occur naturally is not the same as someone ADDING it to foods, especially because it's usually at such a higher rate as an additive. If it is this dangerous by itself, why do we purposefully add it to foods?
As my hubby likes to say, natural, smatural, means nothing, Cyanide is derived naturally. It doesn't mean I want to eat it.
http://current.com/items/88792692_entran...
Wardell Lindsay
Sun, 12/16/07
It is teh government that empowers teh Corporations. Take away the Corporate legal Charter and the go puff! It is the control of governement that sustains these corporations.....Ron Paul's solution to limit the Federal Governement doesn't limit State and Local government.
The Feds will not be able to override local business rules to benefit International Corporations as they do now. Local and State government can expand as the Fed contracts and being closer to the People are more accountable. County's should be running schools not The Congress.
-------------------
!!!
Obama sucks it. Go Ron Paul!
I wonder if Chairman Dean ever gets a turkey sandwich and comes back to check in on the blog he was responsible in part for creating.
21
6:34PM MST
War Protest in DC
http://current.com/items/88792691_i_shoo...
20.
Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/16/07
I wonder if Chairman Dean ever gets a turkey sandwich and comes back to check in on the blog he was responsible in part for creating.
--------
If Chairman Dean ever find out he was responsible in part for creating saint/cult image of his own, he'll never comes back to check on this blog.
former wrote "If Chairman Dean ever find out he was responsible in part for creating saint/cult image of his own, he'll never comes back to check on this blog."
Crazy, baby.
Linda...21
Please, if you have a minute...the highlights. I can't pick up your link. Thanks.
20.
Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/16/07
Obama sucks it. Go Ron Paul!
----------
!!!
If DFA (or whatever Demos) won't find almost exactly the same kind of words said by Obama as you can hear at the top of this very thread said by Hillary, then Reps will do it a little later when time will come. Just get ready!
former wrote "If DFA (or whatever Demos) won't find almost exactly the same kind of words said by Obama as you can hear at the top of this very thread said by Hillary, then Reps will do it a little later, . . ."
Snap! Well, here's a little of Frank Rich today just for interest or whatever:
"In a typical instance of tone-deafness from the Clinton camp, its national co-chairman, the former Iowa governor Tom Vilsack, said of Oprah, 'I’m not sure who watches her.'
"Wanna bet he knows now? Even before Oprah drew throngs in Iowa, the Des Moines Register poll showed Mr. Obama leading Hillary Clinton among women for the first time (31 to 26 percent) in late November. Now his surge is spreading. In New Hampshire, the Rasmussen poll after Oprah’s visit found that the Clinton lead among women had fallen from 14 to 4 percent in just two weeks. In South Carolina, where some once thought Mr. Obama was not 'black enough' to peel away loyal African-American voters from the Clintons, he’s ahead by double digits among blacks in four polls. (A month ago they were even among African-Americans in that state.) Over all, the Obama-Clinton race in all three states has now become too close to call.
" . . . .
"For those Americans looking for the most unambiguous way to repudiate politicians who are trying to divide the country by faith, ethnicity, sexuality and race, Mr. Obama is nothing if not the most direct shot. After hearing someone like Mitt Romney preach his narrow, exclusionist idea of 'Faith in America,' some Americans may simply see a vote for Mr. Obama as a vote for faith in America itself."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/opinio...
Not one thing Hillary said in those videos bothers me one bit.
Earlier, the Republicans and FoxNews kept repeating how they’d really like to run again Hillary – easy to beat. NOW it’s a full blitz against Hillary –anything they can 'swiftboat' they are.. including Fox, CNN, Cafferty, Etc. However, the majority of American people just don’t seem to be buying it:
American Research Group poll: December 9 – 12, 2007:
Democrats, likely primary voters nationwide:
Clinton 41: Obama 22: Edwards 13%
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Dec. 6-9, 2007Democrats, likely primary voters nationwideClinton 53 %: Obama: 23%: Edwards 10%.
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Dec. 6-9, 2007 (any registered voters Democrats OR Independents)
Clinton 40%: Oabama 30%: Edwards 14%
http://pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm
These silly Americans are really going to choose - the 'lesser' of evils and get Bill Clinton in the bargain....
Iran is a little lamb?
Those who are on the "they voted for war and/or have not appologized" bandwagon ...Pa-lease.
Hillary = Bush/Cheney? Pa-lease with the sleaze.
Trolls, trolls, trolls.
26.
Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/16/07
former wrote "If DFA (or whatever Demos) won't find almost exactly the same kind of words said by Obama as you can hear at the top of this very thread said by Hillary, then Reps will do it a little later, . . ."
Snap! Well, here's a little of Frank Rich today just for interest or whatever:
"...After hearing someone like Mitt Romney preach his narrow, exclusionist idea of 'Faith in America,' some Americans may simply see a vote for Mr. Obama as a vote for faith in America itself."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/opinio...
--------
...lol, Frank Rich's logic, of course, undefeatable, not like the one from by Prof. Lessig were referenced here couple of days ago.
In any case, some Americans may simply ask themselves if vote for America they know and even presented now with Obama's "audacity of hope" worth their faith.
Polls
whip me with the polls. I deserve a good head bangin'
Yes, hit me with the polls to motivate me, to heard me, to...to...
What I would like to know is
who would fill the senatorial seats vacated by Clinton and/or Obama if they were to run on the Dem ticket?
Republican Squabble: Say Goodbye Mr. Romney…NObody wants a Bush clone or Bush cloned sheep, not even the Republicans.
Huckabee: "The Bush administration's arrogant bunker mentality has been counterproductive at home and abroad," the former Arkansas governor wrote in the journal Foreign Affairs.
Romney: "That's an insult to the president, and Mike Huckabee should apologize to the president …."I can't believe he'd say that. I'm afraid he's running for the wrong party. The truth of the matter is, this president has kept us safe these last six years
Huckabee: "I think he needs to read the article. ... Because if he did, he would see that there's no apology necessary to the president," http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071216204336.mrr2owf4&show_article=1
Clinton's - William Jefferson Clinton, Mario Cuomo
Obama's - well if Mr Keyes can run for the office as a Repugnant then anyone in the United States could be the choice to sit in replacement of barack.
7:23
24. Audrey, sorry, on a break from tile...It's a video shot of the protest. Great shots, of mach killed, signs, talking to people, young men talking about Imperialism being disguised as Democracy, etc. One was claiming she was representing a young woman 17 yrs old killed in Iraq because of OUR OCCUPATION.
...I have found since current tv's switch over, I can only view in IE (internet explorer) big bummer. I was hoping they'd switch it, but so far, no go.
if you have IE loaded, run that and you'll be amazed all the stuff you were missing when trying to view current.com\
Imn2P wrote "Those who are on the 'they voted for war and/or have not appologized' bandwagon ...Pa-lease."
You didn't support the invasion of Iraq, did you? You supprted a candidate who disapproved of it. Does it matter if who we select as president thought of it as a worthwhile pursuit at the time?
Frank Rich...Mr. Conservative. Bash Gore...toot Bush.
Oh yeah, I'd listen to him for democratic wisdom LOL
Linda wrote "Oh yeah, I'd listen to him for democratic wisdom LOL"
Who are we supposed to be listening to?
8:31
At this particular point in history, I firmly believe that the best way for me to impact the dire fate that Bushites both portend and celebrate, is to help organize a diverse but united majority of sensible, patriotic Americans to show up at the polls and vote the lunatic fringe out of office. I consider "Clintonistas, Obama cultists, Ultralibs for Edwards & Kucinich, cumudgeons for Dodd, Old pols for Biden, and those Richardson people" to be allies in the biggest damned fight we will ever see. I even tolerate DLC fatcats with their generous donations. It is really going to take near on forever to establish a perfect govenment, but you and I have less than 11 months to soundly defeat the worst regime to ever steal a great country and gang rape its constitution.
wrote "You didn't support the invasion of Iraq, did you?"
I don't think that the authorization to use force was all Bush made it out to be. I think Bush went to far. You do think that is Bush pathology, don't you? Taking advantage of a situation? Behaving like a pathologically spoiled rotten rich kid who can not be made to pay for his transgressions.
38.
Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/16/07
......
Who are we supposed to be listening to?
-----------
!!!
The question..., lol!
I know.......but it's always good to see the other side of the coin..
Warren Buffett To Headline Hillary Clinton Fundraiser This Week He hasn’t endorsed a candidate, but says he will raise money for Clinton and Obama.. To paraphrase an old EF Hutton commercial "when Warren Buffet talks, people listen.
American Federation of Teachers today endorsed Hillary ... citing her proven ability to advance our nation’s key priorities, and her bold plans for a stronger America
DesMoines Register endorses Hillary.. We believe Hillary Rodham Clinton can do great things for our country. ...(but also McCain?)
Joe Wilson endorses Hillary .. "I'm delighted to fight the fight with her. ... The person who has always reached out to us has been Hillary. ... I think Hillary is a fighter. ... She is a wonderful individual. ... More diplomacy the better. There is no daylight between us on Iran." -- former ambassador Joseph Wilson
O.K. - now "Joe' impresses me -- and maybe Warren.
Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/16/07
......
Who are we supposed to be listening to?
---------
How about thoughts and logic of our own?
OH BOY...
Turkey bombs Kurdish rebels in north Iraq Turkish warplanes targeting Kurdish rebels bombed northern Iraq on Sunday, killing one woman and forcing hundreds to flee..... The Turkish military said it had attacked with the approval of U.S. occupying forces in Iraq. Antiwar.comImn2Paine wrote "I don't think that the authorization to use force was all Bush made it out to be."
But some people wouldn't give it. Why was that? Either he didn't need it and authorization voters wanted to appear on the militant side of the ideological divide, or he did need it, and they had no reason to think the authorization wouldn't be used if they gave it. In either case, a vote for authorization was a blank check for Bush to cash.
former wrote "How about thoughts and logic of our own?"
Do you mean that's not what we're reading when we come here?
47.
Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/16/07
former wrote "How about thoughts and logic of our own?"
Do you mean that's not what we're reading when we come here?
---------
Apparently not, quite often we are expected to listen Frank Rich or Prof. Lessig, etc.
Tom Bearse wrote "But some people wouldn't give it. Why was that?"
>
Smart electoral politics by the Republicans. Weak support for "peaceniks" wayyyyyy back then (times have changed some minds)
...and, "In either case, a vote for authorization was a blank check for Bush to cash."
>
I wrote to that, "Bush pathology, don't you? Taking advantage of a situation? Behaving like a pathologically spoiled rotten rich kid who can not be made to pay for his transgressions."
Breaking News: Lieberman will endorse John McCain
Democrats DEFY Bush on CIA Tape Investigation:
(After the Feds (Bush) Tells Court to Kill Inquiry on Destroyed CIA Tapes.)
House Intelligence Committee chairman Silvestre Reyes (D) said he will ignore the Bush administration's request to drop its investigation… ..this administration cannot be trusted to police itself," "For that reason, the House Intelligence Committee will begin its own inquiry. "We will follow the facts wherever they may lead, and we will use every tool at our disposal to conduct a fair and complete review on behalf of the House of Representatives and the American people." Antiwar.com
Oh yeah...Democrats just shakin' in their boots. NOT. : )
Give Lieberman the guillotine. Give it to him for Christmas. No mercy.
Tom Bearse
I wonder how influential Lieberman was leading up to the War Authorization. Those long relationships with good Democrats can be influential, I hear.
Lieberman wouldn't endorse Dodd?
Lieberman wouldn't endorse Biden?
Lieberman wouldn't endorse Clinton?
I'll rest it there.
Tom, former:
I think that many here bend reality to suit their beliefs and post THEIR realities as truth here. Facts aren't relevant to many here, sadly.
jmho.
In eight months, I heard many, many staff discussions, but not three meaningful, substantive policy discussions....The lack of even basic policy knowledge, and the only casual interest in knowing more, was somewhat breathtaking.
This weekend, six years after serving in the same White House at the same time as DiIulio, former Bush speechwriter David Frum finally decides that maybe DiIulio was right. What's more, after listening to Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee burble confidently on about absurdities, he concludes that just maybe the entire conservative movement bears some blame for this state of affairs:
next (and last):
Many of us on the conservative side have fed this monster. (Rightly) aghast at the abuse of expertise by liberal judges, liberal bureaucrats and liberal academics, we have sometimes over-reacted by denying the importance of expertise altogether.
....So now instead of holes in our souls, we conservatives are getting candidates with holes in their heads.
Here's the lesson to learn: It's always important to respect the values and principles of the voters. But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.
Welcome back to the reality-based community, Mr. Frum. Good luck reining in the beast you and your colleagues have spent the past three decades unchaining.
—Kevin Drum
I don't know what others see here, but I've seen this face for too long to not see through it. Doesn't grow on you, unless you're one susceptible to hypnosis.
oh. and here's an interesting piece on "The Coming Liberal Cycle":
Much as liberals would like to believe that the next cycle will begin in November 2008, they should note that it took 16 years from Goldwater's emergence as the national firebrand of the new conservatism in 1964 to Reagan's election in 1980.
Will Howard Dean one day assume Goldwater-like stature as the cranky godfather of a Second Liberal Era?
(Before you laugh, contrast Goldwater's standing in 1968 with more recent reappraisals of his importance to the conservative movement.) Do the seeds of a new liberalism already live somewhere among the "netroots" movement, or the Truman progressives who seek to reclaim the mantle of vigorous liberal internationalism? Is the time just not right?
Think back to what the leading Democrats say about why they're running. Of the three, only Obama clearly acknowledges the present opportunity in visionary terms: "We find ourselves in a moment that comes along once in a generation." It sounds like the rhetoric of an aspiring standard bearer. If he overcomes the current odds and wins the presidency, he will get his chance to make the most of this moment.
--Matthew Kohut
RIP Dan Fogelberg.
http://www.danfogelberg.com/news.html
-
By Susan Rowe on Dec 12, 2007 9:53 PM ESTDean is first!