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Chris Dodd, "Keeping Faith With Our Values"
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Senator Dodd's focus on how our Constitution, the framework of our government, has been eroded during the administration of George W. Bush has been a constant theme and, indeed, one of the prime motives for his candidacy.
While the video of the speech to the Iowa City Council on Foreign Relations runs to 48 minutes and takes a long time to load, even on high speed broad band, Dodd's speech is only seventeen minutes. It is, however, full of references to a number of individuals who have been on the front lines, protecting the Constitution, whose efforts probably deserve even more attention. So, I'll try to provide a few links.
Of course, almost everyone is familiar by now with the Supreme Court's decision in Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld, in which Lt. Commander Charles Swift's argument on behalf of a detainee was successful in persuading the Court to find that the military commission process that had been set up violated the Constitution. What Senator Dodd didn't mention, but we should note, is that the Commander's career was cut short following that success and he was forced to retire. Esquire published his own account of his experience.
Dodd also references a quote from General George Marshall, which strikes me as particularly appropriate as we discuss our military and intelligence activities overseas. Not only should "respect for the reign of law follow the flag" but, as Lt. Gen. John Kimmins explained, torture doesn't even work. So, we're selling out our values for nothing.
It is worth referring to the Senator's statements on the floor of the Senate, when he urged a vote against the Military Commissions Act and again, more recently, in his opposition to the grant of immunity for unlawful behavior by the telecom corporations in the revised version of the FISA legislation. That he was not persuasive on the former and the latter is still hanging fire is not a credit to the United States Senate.
As Justice Jackson said at Nuremberg, “we must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants today is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our lips as well.” Mr. President, to rubber-stamp the Administration’s bill would poison one of the most fundamental principles of American democracy.
We are doing to ourselves what our enemies have not been able to achieve. That seems to be a morsel of wisdom that Malcolm Nance, an interrogator in Iraq, arrived at on his own, and one that is shared by interrogator, William Quinn. Sadly, many of our returning troops are finding themselves in a living hell, because they succumbed to violating their deeply held beliefs and are finding it necessary to punish themselves by committing suicide at a rate of 125 per week.
As the Senator concludes, this is not his America and it shouldn't be ours. Which is why he asks that we trust ourselves and trust the values that have kept us safe. So we can return to the nation that is not an example of the use of force, but leads other nations by the force of its example--perhaps my favorite point.
Looking to the future on a more cheerful note is, I think, important. So, happening to catch some of our Republican Senators on C-SPAN yesterday, as they announced the re-organization of their leadership and re-affirmed their commitment to the notion that their purpose in the Senate is to promote faith and values, it occurred to me that, if in fact, "the Lord will provide," then we really wouldn't need these self-proclaimed dealers in faith, at all, and was led to the conclusion that, to be on the safe side, we need someone who's committed to specific actions that will move the nation forward and correct some of the problems man and nature have caused. Which is why I append this last little video.
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Chris Dodd is a serious candidate with an important message. I'm glad voters get this as one of the choices. He would make a good President.
Left you a comment on bottome of last thread rc.
Susan wrote "Nobody puts Howard Dean down in front of me and gets away with it, period."
I live by the same maxim. Here's an excerpt of what DFA member Ben Iglar-Mobley had to say on the subject on 10/29/07:
"I am a progressive. I am for single-payer healthcare, the immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq, impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, opting out of NAFTA and the WTO, and the creation of a Department of Peace. But I am not for Dennis Kucinich for president. No movement progressive should support Kucinich, because Kucinich does not support the movement.
"I don't believe Kucinich is too far to the left for me to support him; in fact, on many issues I stand further left than he is. I opposed the war against Afghanistan before it was even engaged, while Kucinich stills supports it. I am a lifelong supporter of reproductive freedom, while Kucinich only came around to that position in 2003 when he decided to run for president.
" . . . .
"In the 2004 cycle, Dennis Kucinich was running against one person, and it wasn't George W. Bush. It was Howard Dean. Kucinich famously brought a visual chart of military spending to a radio debate and was gently ribbed by the moderator for offering a prop that 'doesn't work so well on radio.' What was Kucinich's response? Did he say, 'It works if my opponents can see it'? No, he said, 'It works if Howard Dean can see it.' Why Dean alone? Why would he seek to undermine another candidate who at least shared his opposition to the Iraq War and to the USA PATRIOT Act? Later, going into the Iowa caucuses Kucinich instructed his supporters specifically not to caucus for Dean if their precincts did not reach the threshold for him, but instead go over to Edwards. This was the Edwards of the time who had not yet decided that invaded Iraq was a mistake and who did not regret his vote for the invasion-- the same Edwards who voted for PATRIOT and for Bush's tax cuts, which Dean opposed. How was that meant to build the left? I kept waiting to hear Kucinich go after Joe Lieberman in the debates, who after all was sharing a stage with him and who I think offered a prime target for what Kucinich said he opposed in the Democratic Party. I'm still waiting to hear him go after Lieberman. Finally, I would have been happy hearing Kucinich go after anyone besides Dean. He never did. Effectively, Kucinich signed on for the 'stop Dean' counter-insurgency in the Democratic Party-- although he was coming from the completely opposite direction as the rest of it. I'm still waiting to hear from any Kucinich supporter how trading Dean for Kerry-- who, again, at the time supported the war, the tax cuts, and PATRIOT-- was in service of building the progressive movement's issues.
" . . . .
"Gloria Steinem commented on Ralph Nader in 2000 that it was easy for him to stake out the positions that he took because he wasn't seeking to build coalitions as Al Gore was. I think the same can be said of Dennis Kucinich's campaigns, in 2004 and now 2008. Dennis Kucinich is 'Nadering' the Democratic Party from inside it. He offers the appearance of building the left, while in reality his campaign is a 'symbol' that represents nothing but itself.
"Support Kucinich if you wish, but don't think you're building the left with your support. Don't think you are building the movement. A movement requires us to move-- to move legislation, to move ourselves to action. In the end, Dennis Kucinich is sound and fury... signifying nothing."
Re: Harry Taylor from previous thread - here's a link to his confrontation of Bush that created a huge website: thankyouharrytaylor.
youtube.com/watch?v=SnOFri7fRDU
Website is harrytaylorforcongress.com/dec12/
Running in North Carolina against Sue Myrick
Nice post Monica.
...the 2nd vid...the Military Commissions Act. That one slayed me the most. I was shocked at a couple of folks who supported it. Disappointed in the other (d)'s, but not surprised.
But when I saw Menendez and Stabenow from the Senate.....oh, and the crushing Sherrod Brown in the House, that just brought new lows.
I know Senator Menendez has been working to reverse that.....with no luck. Which brings us to the next part. Taking your vote as serious as it is.
oh, wait, I posted a fact about some Senators votes. Am I going to be accused of calling them derogatory names now, too?
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"Support Kucinich if you wish, but don't think you're building the left with your support."
Maybe. But it goes for the others even moreso.
Sitka wrote "Maybe. But it goes for the others even moreso."
My preferred approach would be to vote for a Democrat who opposed the invasion at the time it was gathering congressional authorization and didn't take shots at Dean later.
Global Warming is not being discussed as it should be. This is the utmost importance. AND PUSHING TAX FUNDED FOSSIL FUEL and NUCLEAR PLANTS WILL HURT US MORE.
Yes, Chris Dodd is the only candidate that has spoke about the Carbon Tax. WE need to hear more.
North Carolina and Georgia are in serious trouble. Georgia has almost 50 percent of the state in SERIOUS DROUGHT condidtions.
GOP headed toward a road less moderate?
Alicia Mundy
Seattle Times Washington bureau
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo...
2. Tom - I remember all that as well about Kucinich. Sadly, none of the candidates are *pure* But this is what we have this time around. I like Dodd but he isn't gaining and he voted for this bloody war. So I'm leaning Obama at the moment. Hubby is already in the Obama camp. I think Hillary is toast but I'm a tad concerned about her being *the comeback kid*.
U.S. 'Not Ready' To Commit Cutting On Emissions In Bali Summit
December 9, 2007 9:54 a.m. EST
John Concepcion - AHN News Writer
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/...
OSLO, Norway (AP) - Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore and the United Nations' chief climate scientist met Norwegian leaders early Sunday to kick off the official program leading up to them accepting the Nobel Peace Prize at a ceremony in Oslo on Monday.
When he arrived on Friday, Gore urged countries meeting at a climate conference in Bali, Indonesia, to speed up work on a strong climate treaty to replaces the current Kyoto accords. The governments hope to finish drafting a new climate treaty by 2009, with a current target of 2012 for ratification, but Gore urged them to move the ratification deadline ahead by two years.
The meeting marks the start of three days of celebrations of the 2007 Nobel peace laureates, which include a news conference on Sunday, the awards ceremony on Monday, followed by a parade and banquet in the winners' honor, and the traditional Nobel peace concert on Tuesday.
As the meeting was starting on a day of snow showers in Oslo, 3-year-old Haakon Gulowsen, the son of Greenpeace Norway leader Truls Gulowsen, gave Gore a single white flower called a wood anemone that had been found growing wild in the capital during winter, even though it usually blossoms in the spring.
«It's extremely rare that it would blossom now,» the father told the AP. «It seems to be confused by the climate. .... We gave it as a symbol.
Gore warns CO2 cuts needed for survival of civilization
Oslo (AP): Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore said Sunday that reducing CO2 emissions is essential to the ``survival of our civilization'
Co-laureate Rajendra Pachauri, chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said that "we have a clear window" to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and "have to show results by 2015."
http://www.pr-inside.com/gore-and-un-climate-scientist-meet-r338933.htm
vb wrote "Sadly, none of the candidates are *pure* But this is what we have this time around."
True, but this situation is common. There were more than a few liberal commentators and lawmakers from Dean's own state, not to mention Kucinich, who regarded Dean as a political charlatan, a moderate posing as a liberal. I've seen criticism of every candidate on the ballot here, and I've leveled criticism of every candidate.
What are our options? I've swung towards the candidate who opposed the invasion, whose campaign has resembled Dean's the most, and who hasn't rallied against Dean when he ran for president or when became party chair.
Mary
U.S. 'Not Ready' To Commit Cutting On Emissions In Bali Summit
December 9, 2007 9:54 a.m. EST
....Great headline, huh?
How will we solve these crisis and problems with the leadership we are seeing.
...on the last treaty talks, Mr. Gore was VP then, Clinton put up walls constantly on any efforts to combat Global Warming. The delegation that he sent then was stonewalling and complaining of limits then, too. Mr. Gore flew out there during the talks and told them they had to compromise and then Mr. Gore symbolicly signed the treaty then.
Of course, it was never ratified, as we know.
Nice post Monica. Dodd would make an excellent president from my perspective. He's one we can trust, is knowledgeable to the point of exhaustion, personable (but maybe not as much as he wants to exhibit).
I enjoyed watching him in a small rally in an attractive open meadow-like place in NH. His two small girls arrived running toward him as he was finishing up his speech. The smallest one, Gracie (2 or 3 yrs old) ran into her dad's arms. You could see how much he loved and enjoyed them -- he is a family man.
Not to mention his wife, who in her own right, could be running for prez.
For any Obama people here. The Oprah effect.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/08/c...
Robert Kennedy Jr.,Environmentalist, opposed to fossil fuels, coal and Global Warming, endorsed Hillary.
Now this week, John Doerr, partner in the VC firm that brought on Mr. Gore, who is also was at the forefront of Google and Apple and is now a partner in Blood and Gore's Generation Investment Management firm endorsed Hillary too.
...things that make you go hmmmmm.
DEM RACE TIGHTER THAN EVER; HUCKABEE SURGE CONTINUES
Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:55 AM by Chuck Todd
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2...
Linda*in*SFNM
Sun, 12/09/07
11:43 am
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Its pretty bad her in NC..................in fact, I havent showered for 5 days.........lucky for you guys.
Linda NM
I read your reply this morning on the previous thread about Obama's NO vote on an amendment to cap interest to 30%.
Anyone who has been paying attention to him would know that no doubt the reason he voted against it was because 30% is an outrageously high interest rate. In fact, most states have usury laws much lower than that.
I believe Feingold, a true liberal, also voted NO as all the other Dems should have as well. It would have been a feather in their cap as it is was Obama's.
When others on this blog and elsewhere have criticized Dems in Congress for going along with ridiculous Republican bills and amendments that should not be voted into law, you seem to be implying that Obama and Feingold were wrong and should have gone along with the Republican amendment even though it was wrong.
Washington Post, Page One
By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; A01
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said. "The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
Congressional leaders from both parties would later seize on waterboarding as a symbol of the worst excesses of the Bush administration's counterterrorism effort. The CIA last week admitted that videotape of an interrogation of one of the waterboarded detainees was destroyed in 2005 against the advice of Justice Department and White House officials, provoking allegations that its actions were illegal and the destruction was a coverup. Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.
With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan)....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
I am beginning to think they are not bothering to fix this clock because they could be preparing to shut down this blog. Gotta be some reasonable explanation.
I'm flattered to find this post up front. Thanks for the kind words.
I have spent most of the morning in the archives, so to speak.
You see, it turns out Fed Thompson conducted a special investigation into campaign finance irregularities in 1997. Rmember those? Remember the Buddhist nuns? Remember a couple of people who eventually went to jail?
Well, the final report is up on Wikipedia, but there are some sections missing--specifically from 21-32. So, I went to find them in the government archives and found one that's sort of interesting about Charlie Trie's "contributions" to the Clinton's legal expense fund. You know, they needed that because the vast right-wing conspiracy was hounding them.
Well, it's a shoddy business they conducted.
I'm going to write it up as a KOS diary. Haven't decided yet whether to publish.
Sorry Joan in Florida
No, I don't think it was as Sitka referred to Feingold as for NOT VOTING, because he thought 30 percent was too high.
I would say anyone who has been payiing attention to him knows, as he sights in that article I referenced for you, that he compromises for his donors, as even the big donor acknowledged, that he voted NO for.
27. Yes, I told you. The Gang of Eight.
Democrats. along with Republicans, are paralyzed by guilt. That's how secrecy works.
Hey Mike, I'm so sorry. I knew things were going to get rought when even the hurricanes and tropical storms started hitting further north now. Hitting the next stage past the extreme weather conditions of draught and floods.
As they new map has been drawn, bringing the south much further north.
a bunch of good stories here...
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/
btw, my zero population link last night was meant as humor. who wouldn't laugh at such a notion???
Obama in South Carolina today will be live streaming at:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/oprahwebcast
Doors open to the 80,000 stadium at 12:30 ET. Arrested Development will be performing.
No indication as to when the two big O's will also be "performing."
dem candidates on climate change...
The Harkin Steak Fry candidate chart
Candidates reveal their priorities
Posted by Ken Ward at 5:14 PM on 08 Dec 2007
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/12...
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No facts behind your statements Linda NM, simply your own opinion.
Feingold voted AGAINST the amendment and so did Obama, as should have every other Democrat in the Senate.
30% rates are outrageous and higher than most states allow for personal loans and legal rates of interest.
My state, Florida, sets a legal rate of interest at 12% though often disregarded by courts. A personal loan under $500,000 has an 18% cap, over $500,000 25%.
Check that out at:
Joan, nothing but facts. Feingold DIDN'T VOTE, Obama voted against, just like all his other votes.
If people want to ignore them, that's fine, live with the results, but don't tell me the facts I'm posting and reffering are wrong because you want to look at it with a different light.
Joan thanks for the streaming link :)
Here is a link to a video from Cindy Sheehan - she's asking for letters to Pelosi so here's your chance, non-Californians, to say your piece about impeachment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXv9s52zp...
Nice post Monica. I always like reading your posts. It was a pleasure to meet you in Manchester.
So, Monica, you think this all (gang of 8 issue)... has to do with Conyers being in charge of the Judiciary Committee now, with the Dem's being involved, that Pelosi dangled that over Conyers head to drop impeachment?...or even his ethics charge of using his Senatorial office to do his wifes work and campaign issues?
Linda*in*SFNM
Sun, 12/09/07
1:05 pm
... as one seems to be the front runner more and more the cape of 'progressive protector' will cover past errance from the good of 'the people'. 'The people' will herd behind the wolf, the cliff not seen ahead.
Deaniac, yes, apparently.
Funny, like Jihad Joe, they hate when you talk about the issues and the facts. Much rather talk about nonsense.
Linda*in*SFNM
Sun, 12/09/07
12:40 pm
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Well, nature chooses its own chess matches doesnt it? In about 4 months the shit wil start hitting the fan here...then things will get real interesting......the beautiful, well watered and manicured lawns of many houses in this area will soon beocme a thing of the past as thank God for that..................Im beyond trying to impress the Jones'............
As for us, whats left of th green lawn will now have large plots of mulch and native grasses, actually some are veyr pretty and take up space.....toss in some drought resistant plants and there ya go.......................watch the prices of bottled water start shooting up too...........
We have been on water restrictions/rationing for some time now, and I applaud the "tiered water rates"..........in other words of some asshole wants to water his/her lawn from sun up t sun down thats fine..they will pay a heavy price for it............as for the landscapers and lawn maintenance guys, time for a new profession................
And on tha note............time for a glass of ................water.
give me the message....
Well, that's interesing, Mobley likes Kucinich's message just not the messenger. Let me say, for the last 7 years, I have not liked the messenger and have been terrified of his message.
I would give almost anything to have a messenger I DIDN'T like who had a DREAM MESSAGE too GOOD TO EVEN WISH FOR in the Oval office.
Mobley says Kucinich refused to give money to the DCCC? That's a plus not a minus. Does he know of another candidate who wants to impeach? I see impeachment and saving our Constitution as the most important issue. So does Dennis.
I'm voting for the message and not the messenger.
43. Yes. At least mulch helps keep what ever moisture is left in the ground, right?
I agree, some don't think about things until it hits them. The tiered pricing is good. And some may still not pay attention.
...you know, I didn't even think about the newest American business venture, landscaping. Really not much need for that these days. Even if you go with conservation methods, away from grass, that alone rids the waste of unnecessary maintenance.
John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), on the CBS news this morning, seemed to me to be particularly reluctant to lay the responsibility of violating U.S. law and international treaties/conventions at the feet of the Administration.
He also thinks an independant prosecutor is not the way to go, saying that his committee is the proper venue for intel oversight
... tho all indications are that they haven't done that duty.
Also it seems that things were put before them in the past specificly to muzzle them.
It is very scary that these folks have been outwitted by the boyking and his inept band of idiots.
mprov...the scale...so that may explain why Hillary is getting those endorsements, huh?
Google had the references to Trie right up top, so that suggests other people are checking it out.
It is very scary that these folks have been outwitted by the boyking and his inept band of idiots.
They are complicit, not duped.
41. Pelosi has been one of the Gang of Eight since it was set up. Maybe I should retrieve some stuff from Hannah.
Joan thanks for the streaming link!
Here is a link to a video from Cindy Sheehan asking you to write letters to Pelosi about impeachment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXv9s52zp...
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Sitka
Sun, 12/09/07
1:44 pm
... obviously. Sometimes i try to be nice enough to leave some wiggle room for them to reverse course.
To be completely frank, the only other option to them wrighting their own wrongs, of complicity, would be the firing squad.
CNN is now pushing the NeoCon line,"The CIA was wrong about Iraq's weapons program. How do we know they aren't now wrong about Iran's?"
Linda - Xeriscaping (sp?0 is the way to go. We did that in Colorado and have done the same here in the islands. After the first year - the plantings (mostly ornamental grasses) are drought-resistant.
I seem to be able to post now, so Monica, congrats on a great front page post!
I always like to read what you have to say as you do it in a very eloquent and non threatening way. Glad we got to meet in Manchester this summer.
If the rawstory report is accurate about the executive order issued in October of 2001 limiting the dissemination of classified and sensitive information gathered by our intelligence agencies to just eight people, the leadership in the house and senate and the chairs of the intelligence committees, then the following would have been the relevant people in 2001:
Hastert
Gebhardt
Daschle
Lott
Graham of Florida
Shelby
Goss
Pelosi
and if the import of the order was communicated to their successors in those offices, the people now in the know would be:
Hastert
Pelosi
Reid
Frist
Roberts
Rockefeller
Hoekstra
Harman
Moreover, if the order was issued and if it hasn’t been rescinded, then the meeting of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on September 24, 2002 about which Sy Hersh reported, on the basis of confidential sources, that the CIA laid out the information on the supposed purchase of yellow cake uranium from Niger, either didn’t happen and Hersh was used to transmit disinformation, or the Senate Committee was lied to, or the executive order was violated or waived and the Senate Committee got accurate information and someone decided to pass on false information to Hersh.
While this seems terribly confusing, it does seem interesting that of the original gang of eight, only Hastert and Pelosi are left in the loop.
Gebhardt, Daschle, Graham and Goss are no longer in Congress. Shelby has been timed out by an eight year rule. Lott is still on the Senate Select Committee but has not moved up to Chair.
So, maybe Nanci Pelosi is the person to ask for an explanation about what the President did and when he did it.
Will Mario Cuomo Speak Up for Impeachment?
Submitted by Bob Fertik on November 23, 2007 - 2:08pm.
Impeach.TV
ImpeachForChange
Mario Cuomo is by far the greatest orator of our generation, so it's a crying shame that he speaks out so rarely on the great issues of our time.
But on Wednesday he gave an untitled speech that looseheadprop is calling "Our Lady of the Law." Cuomo decried
“signing statements,” “secret White House task forces,” and the “unprecedented politicization of the Department of Justice.”... [and] “the seizing by presidents of the power to declare war.”
Cuomo urged American lawyers to follow the lead of Pakistani lawyers and take to the streets in support of the Rule of Law.
Cuomo doesn't speak off the cuff, so it's a shame he didn't complete his research.
He even at one point mentioned litigation that had occurred apparently challenging the legality of the Viet Nam war. Unfortunately, he never mentioned the name of the case.
http://www.democrats.com/will-mario-cuom...
PLEASE consider sending a plea to Gov. Cuomo to support an investigation
Towards discovery as to whether there are legal grounds for impeachment of both Bush and Cheney…(I did!)
His email address:
mcuomo@willkie.com
full address if contacting via letter…
Governor Mario M. Cuomo
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By Monica Smith on Dec 7, 2007 10:30 AM ESTDean is first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QPL9SHCxlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItdD8m5kj3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfKLNjr92cQ