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Hat tip to Susan Rowe...
Don't Think of a Sick Child: The Logic of the Health Care DebateIn launching this campaign, the Rockridge Institute is contributing to progressives as they consider and focus their health care message. We have written a thoughtful white paper, as well as talking points, prototype television advertisements, blog posts, op-eds, and other material designed to bring some consistency and honest framing to the cause of health care security. To the many groups and individuals engaged in this cause, it is our hope we will be of some help to your heroic efforts.
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Dollar Crisis: None dare call it �conspiracy'
Global Research | November 11, 2007
Hal Lindsey
Crude oil prices hit an all-time high this week, closing above $98 a barrel for the first time in history.
According to the AAA, many drivers in my home state of California are already paying more than $4 a gallon for regular unleaded gas. And in one town south of Big Sur, unleaded gas topped $5 a gallon.
The U.S. dollar is at an all-time low, even when compared against the hapless Canadian loonie. Five years ago, a loonie was worth 60 cents. Today, it's worth $1.12 and climbing.
Yesterday, WorldNetDaily reported that the Chinese are considering abandoning the U.S. dollar as their national reserve currency. WND quoted Craig Smith's assessment of the consequences of such a move by Beijing on our economy: �If that were to happen, all bets are off, and we will be in a depression that makes 1929 look like child's play, or we will experience Weimar Republic inflation as the dollar makes extreme moves toward devaluations.�
On Tuesday, the U.S. national debt topped $9 trillion for the first time in history, according to the U.S. Treasury Department's daily accounting of the national debt. Nine trillion dollars! The number is so staggeringly high that it exceeds our ability to comprehend it in monetary units.
Million, billion, trillion � in financial terms, for most of us, it means a lot of money, really a lot of money, but that is about as specific a picture as most ordinary people can grasp.
Let's put all these �illions� into perspective. A million seconds is roughly 12 days, whereas a billion seconds is approximately 32 years.
We understand dollars. And we understand time. So it would take 12 days to pay back a million dollars at a dollar a second. But if you started right now, you'd pay back a BILLION dollars, at a dollar a second, in the year 2039.
A trillion seconds is roughly 32 thousand years. At a dollar a second, you'd pay back a TRILLION dollars in the year 34007.
The U.S. debt stands at $9 trillion. If my calculator is working, then at a dollar a second, the U.S. could be debt- free in the year 290007.
The point of that little exercise was two-fold. The first was to clarify the sheer volume of the debt; the second was to demonstrate the possibility that anybody in government really believes we can ever pay it off.
Each U.S. citizen's share of the national debt works out, according to the National Debt clock, to $29,947.50. That means the average American family of five owes, collectively, $149,737.50.
It also means that unless the average American family of five has a net worth of at least $149,737,50 in assets excluding liabilities (they don't), America is already bankrupt.
Over the past few years, there has been growing public concern about the emerging �Security and Prosperity Partnership� plan that some say is really a �deceptive roadmap� to a coming North American Union and a new, unified currency tentatively called the �amero.�
The feds steadfastly deny such a plan exists, even as it opens the borders to Mexican truck traffic, widens the I-35 corridor from Mexico to Canada and, counterintuitively, refuses to tighten the borders with either Mexico or Canada, despite both logic and widespread public demand.
All of these things have brought me to believe that powerful forces outside of our government � like the shadowy international Money Trust members of the �Bilderberg Group� � made a decision to force the formation of the North American Union along with the amero. There decisions have been instituted in the past via the Trilateral Commission, which is the dba for the nefarious Conference on Foreign Relations. Destroying the American dollar could force the crisis that would force the creation of the North American Union. To quote the title of a book of the 1960s era, �None Dare Call It Conspiracy.�
Ordinary Americans may not fully grasp just how dire the true economic picture is, but you can bet our leaders do. Yet from the White House to the Federal Reserve, nobody seems particularly eager to address the issue, preferring instead to talk about the �budget,� as if the budget WERE the debt, rather than merely a measure of our ability to keep up with our payments on the debt.
It is almost as if they already have a Plan B in reserve, ready and waiting to be triumphantly introduced � just in the nick of time.
I wonder what it might be?
3. And Joan, so were you.........what happened?
well, you and Howard are still first in my eyes! :)
ciao!
I see those waiting for a Saint to come and save us are on the attack, spreading hafl-truths attacking all the Democratic candidates.
Linda and Sitka, Nov. 8th passed without an "announcement". When next?
Edwards has made mistakes, and he admits them. Then he moves on and corrects his mistakes with positions that are principled and realistic. On Iraq, health care, Trade deals, working and middle class economy.
Obama is a decent man, too, trying to remain principled and a man of conviction. I believe both of them want a progressive future for this country. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.
But TOGETHER they would set up a progressive Adminstration for the next 16 years. How about Clinton and Bayh? Is that what you want for 16 more years? Think about it.....
Edwards / Obama in 2008
Obama in 2016. He'll be 54 years young.
Obama, Edwards, Dodd or Gore (if he should change his mind) would make excellent POTUS's!
Daniel must have some kind of mystic powers!
Oh, I get it....HQ won't FIX THE BLOG CLOCK because they really want to stop our firsties for Dean! You can come in fourth and still end up first. A cnant arises from blogland.....
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK.....
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK.....
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK.....
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK.....
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK.....
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK.....
Joan* In*Florida
Mon, 11/12/07
12:52 pm
Joan,
Agreed. And I don't think Gore wouldn't want to see the kind of false bashing that passes for discussion around here.
I wish Gore had decided to run, but he didn't. And that is that. Time to stop the waiting for Goredot and get on with electing a progressive President.
Me thinks the DFA troop is still out on their long weekend and not here to
FIX THE BLOG CLOCK!
Democrat CFR Candidates:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
Republican CFR Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Newt Gingrich
Joan* In*Florida
Mon, 11/12/07
12:55 pm
Yeah!!!! I could live with either. But Edwards has said it's not in him to run as VP again. So I favor the Edwards / Obama ticket. Obama would gain needed national and international experience and easily be the Dem candidate in 2016.
This means one of the "nay" votes has to come from a Republican member of Committee, which does not seem incredibly likely. The Republican who we'd previously targeted as most likely to vote the right was was Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. Since Specter has also introduced a proposal that would indemnify the telecom companies by making the federal government sole defendant in all of the pending cases against the industry. This proposal - retroactive immunity by another name - makes it look unlikely that Specter will oppose other forms of immunity.
There are two paths from here:
First, we must continue to call all members of the Senate Judiciary who aren't currently opposed and ask them to oppose retroactive immunity. Everyone is not opposed needs to hear from the public on this issue - even conservative Republicans - because the Constitution and rule of law are not partisan issues, nor should they be.
Second, if you're feeling discouraged by the increased chances of amnesty for telecoms making it out of the Judiciary Committee, remember that Senator Dodd has vowed to stop any such legislation from becoming law, either through a hold or by filibuster if necessary. Dodd will stand up for the rule of law. He will defend the Constitution.
Now is the time to take action, though. Chris Dodd won't wait until 2009 to lead and we shouldn't wait until 2009 to stand up for what we believe in.
Will Gore do in the NH Primary what he did in the DFA Pulse Poll?
As the rush to maintain New Hampshire’s first in the nation primary, Granite state voters should be reminded that a candidate’s name on the printed ballot is just one of two ways to choose a party’s presidential candidate.
A voter can “write in” any individuals’s name on the ballot on Primary Day.
The write-in option has a venerable tradition since the victory of Dwight Eisenhower over Taft more than 50 years ago. And, given the uninspiring candidates from both major political parties, the write-in option provides a unique opportunity for Granite State voters to select a presidential candidate of world stature—Al Gore.
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Farrell S. Seiler, State Coordinator
Draft Gore, New Hampshire!
PO Box 463
Littleton, NH 03561
603-568-4916
writein@DraftGoreNH.com
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Oh yes, such whitty sarcasm Steve.
Well, you may be waiting for a saint, but I am just waiting for the Best Leader to be President of the United States.
Another date you got to post. I have another one for you January 20, 2009.
Gore
2008
CFR Stacks The Deck With Both Democrat And Republican Presidential Candidates
ThoughtCriminal.org | August 15, 2007
Michael Vail
Editor's Note: 2004 was the year of the Skull & Bones presidential candidates, and now 2008 seems to be the year of the CFR presidential candidates. Democrat or Republican, it matters not which rook they choose to elect. We lose either way. The 2004 elections were marred by the stench of a fixed fight. Bush and Kerry both Yale Bonesmen and related by blood running for the presidency. Now the Council on Foreign Relations has nearly every presidential candidate in their pocket. We need to elect Ron Paul. Let's redeem America and restore the Constitution. Ronald Reagan said, "It's Morning In America." Now we are mourning America as she descends into tyranny.
I, for one, would LOVE to see a real filibuster and I'm sure Robert Byrd is looking forward to one, too.
The Mukasey nomination was not the right issue.
Chairman of the Texas Board of Education is anti-evolution, and is a strong creationist. More about him:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1639
Florida is trying to move ahead by including evolution in the science standards now, and they are really running into opposition.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1636
How weird for a supposedly educated nation to be in a spot like this.
CFR Stacks The Deck With Both Democrat And Republican Presidential Candidates
ThoughtCriminal.org | August 15, 2007
Michael Vail
Editor's Note: 2004 was the year of the Skull & Bones presidential candidates, and now 2008 seems to be the year of the CFR presidential candidates. Democrat or Republican, it matters not which rook they choose to elect. We lose either way. The 2004 elections were marred by the stench of a fixed fight. Bush and Kerry both Yale Bonesmen and related by blood running for the presidency. Now the Council on Foreign Relations has nearly every presidential candidate in their pocket. We need to elect Ron Paul. Let's redeem America and restore the Constitution. Ronald Reagan said, "It's Morning In America." Now we are mourning America as she descends into tyranny.
CFR Stacks The Deck With Both Democrat And Republican Presidential Candidates
ThoughtCriminal.org | August 15, 2007
Michael Vail
Editor's Note: 2004 was the year of the Skull & Bones presidential candidates, and now 2008 seems to be the year of the CFR presidential candidates. Democrat or Republican, it matters not which rook they choose to elect. We lose either way. The 2004 elections were marred by the stench of a fixed fight. Bush and Kerry both Yale Bonesmen and related by blood running for the presidency. Now the Council on Foreign Relations has nearly every presidential candidate in their pocket. We need to elect Ron Paul. Let's redeem America and restore the Constitution. Ronald Reagan said, "It's Morning In America." Now we are mourning America as she descends into tyranny.
CFR Stacks The Deck With Both Democrat And Republican Presidential Candidates
ThoughtCriminal.org | August 15, 2007
Michael Vail
Editor's Note: 2004 was the year of the Skull & Bones presidential candidates, and now 2008 seems to be the year of the CFR presidential candidates. Democrat or Republican, it matters not which rook they choose to elect. We lose either way. The 2004 elections were marred by the stench of a fixed fight. Bush and Kerry both Yale Bonesmen and related by blood running for the presidency. Now the Council on Foreign Relations has nearly every presidential candidate in their pocket. We need to elect Ron Paul. Let's redeem America and restore the Constitution. Ronald Reagan said, "It's Morning In America." Now we are mourning America as she descends into tyranny.
Sitka
Mon, 11/12/07
1:00 pm
OMG, Clinton couldn't dream up a better strategy!!!
Gore supporters will never take no for an answer. I predict he will make a clear, definitive statement before Iowa. Will that finally do it?
14.
Feinstiien must go -- she has become a phony Democrat!
Specter is a phony everything! He will oppose the issue but vote in favor of it.
The Mukasey nomination was not the right issue.
Any and every thing that is wrong is the right issue to filibuster -- especially torture and trampling the Constitution.
And excuse me. But Steve you can make all the accusations and attacks YOU (oviously make) want, but I don't.
I state only facts. And if you think my remarks on the other thread about John Edwards voting for Iraq War, Trade, patriot Act and Bankruptcy is inaccurate, please share.
You like to throw down demands and attack others and cliam victim.
So, were you with the Edwards campaign in Iowa this w/e when Trippi walked in to the room and shouted to supporters "Let's kick her @ss" and then smiled at McAuliffe?
Feinstiien must go -- she has become a phony Democrat!
She's been one for as long as I can remember.
Indy thank you. you keep this blog young feeling. If we didn't have you keep coming here throwing down demands and putting up new dates, we might lose track of time.
CFR Stacks The Deck With Both Democrat And Republican Presidential Candidates
ThoughtCriminal.org | August 15, 2007
Michael Vail
Editor's Note: 2004 was the year of the Skull & Bones presidential candidates, and now 2008 seems to be the year of the CFR presidential candidates. Democrat or Republican, it matters not which rook they choose to elect. We lose either way. The 2004 elections were marred by the stench of a fixed fight. Bush and Kerry both Yale Bonesmen and related by blood running for the presidency. Now the Council on Foreign Relations has nearly every presidential candidate in their pocket. We need to elect Ron Paul. Let's redeem America and restore the Constitution. Ronald Reagan said, "It's Morning In America." Now we are mourning America as she descends into tyranny.
Linda*in*SFNM
Mon, 11/12/07
1:03 pm
The problem is you're holding the others to a standard you don't hold Gore. Edwards made mistakes. So did Gore. They are human beings and can alter their views and admit they were wrong.
Should I start listing the mistakes Gore made? When anyone does that, you attack. Just be fair and balanced.
People are not cast in cement to forever be tied to EVERYTHING they ever did or said. If someone says they made mistakes and correct them, I accept that. Then I think it's quite legitimate to HOLD THEM TO IT, which I will do with Edwards and everyone else.
Linda*in*SFNM
Mon, 11/12/07
1:06 pm
You're welcome. I expect a Gore announcement by Christmas. The pressure is on! ;-)
A Message from Paul Hackett:
Recently, I was pleased to participate in a conference call with members of the media, bloggers, and concerned Democrats. The purpose of the call was to talk about a new direction for Ohio and our veterans. During the discussion, my friend, Ohio Congressional candidate Rosemary Palmer outlined a plan for protecting and honoring our veterans. It is an issue close to my heart and certainly to hers as well.Rosemary's support of the bi-partisan recommendations of the President's Commission on Care for America's Returning Wounded Warriors calls for a comprehensive recovery plan for the right care and support in the right place for veterans. It addresses a complete restructuring of the disability and compensation system. It also strengthens support for families and deals with the effects of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
It is a thoughtful, intelligent approach to how we should be honoring the men and women who put their lives on the line to protect our freedoms. Rosemary's awareness of these issues should come as no surprise to those of us who know her and have taken the time to learn what she's about. She's a Gold Star Mother who is smart, intelligent, and most of all, a problem solver who can get things accomplished. It's one thing to talk the talk, but Rosemary will actually walk the talk when she's elected to Congress next fall.
She is simply the best candidate for Congress from the Ohio 10th Congressional District and that is why I'm pleased to be able to offer my endorsement and support. But in order to win this race, she'll need more than me. She'll need you and your family and friends. That's why I'm asking you to get on board and consider supporting Rosemary with a contribution of $25 or more. Rosemary has the right ideas, the right plan, and the right motivation for running for Congress. She wants to get Ohio and America moving forward again - and we all want someone focused on the job. Rosemary is that someone. Let's send her to Washington.
Democratically yours,
Paul Hackett rosemarypalmerforcongress.com
Thanks to our blog veterans, here on Veterans Day (observed).
It's amazing how many Democrats and progressives serve, while right wingers and Republicans find reasons not to.
So honor and thank those who serve in our military, and honor and thank those who work to ensure our military is only used to "defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic," not for the political theories of an individual.
25.
The opposition in Florida to teaching true science rather than fairytale intelligent design, is loud but very small. They themselves were apparently not intelligently designed to begin with.
Morning Folks,
This in the news:
Gore Joins Major Venture Capital Firm
Nov 12, 12:32 PM (ET)
By RACHEL KONRAD 
(AP) Former Vice President Al Gore smiles after speaking at a news conference in Palo Alto, Calif., in...
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Nobel Peace Prize winner and former Vice President Al Gore announced Monday he's joining Silicon Valley's most prestigious venture capital firm to guide investments that help combat global warming.
Gore, an environmental activist who won an Academy Award for his global warming documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," joins Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers as it and dozens of other venture firms headquartered in Silicon Valley expand beyond software, computer hardware, the Internet and biotechnology to so-called "clean-tech" investments worldwide.
Gore is expected to be a high-profile, active partner at Kleiner Perkins. He's already a senior adviser to Google Inc. (GOOG) and a member of the board at Apple Inc. (AAPL) Alliance for Climate Protection, the advocacy group he co-founded, is based in Palo Alto.
Also Monday, Kleiner Perkins partner John Doerr announced he's joining the advisory board of Generation Investment Management, the $1 billion investment firm that Gore founded with David Blood, who previously managed $325 billion in assets out of Goldman Sachs' London office. Doerr is one of Silicon Valley's most outspoken clean-tech advocates.
Clean technology encompasses alternative fuels, water purification, renewable energy and recycling programs and other eco-friendly initiatives, as well as products ranging from electric cars to microbes that search for oil in seemingly tapped-out wells.
North American and European venture capitalists invested $1.9 billion in clean-tech companies in the first half of 2007, a 10 percent increase from the first half 2006, according to Ann Arbor, Mich.-based trade group Cleantech Network.
Last year, Menlo Park-based Kleiner Perkins earmarked $100 million of its $600 million investment fund to startups that work on reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The firm expects to dedicate one-third of new funding to clean tech by 2009.
In 2005, Kleiner Perkins named former Secretary of State Colin Powell a "strategic limited partner," but the moderate Republican hasn't played a prominent role in the firm's affairs.
Gore said in a statement that he'll donate 100 percent of his salary as a Kleiner Perkins partner to the Alliance for Climate Protection, which focuses on accelerating policy solutions to the climate crisis.
For years, Gore, 59, has been good friends with Doerr, a former Intel salesman who became a billionaire thanks to early investments in startups such as Netscape Communications, Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN) and Google.
They palled around together so much in the 1990s that fellow venture capitalist and former InfoWorld editor Stewart Alsop II created spoof political buttons that said "Gore and Doerr in 2004."
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On the Net:
Gore supporters will never take no for an answer.
Apparently, neither will Edwards' supporters since he can't poll higher than 15%.
Associated Press-Ipsos poll oconducted by Ipsos Public Affairs. Nov. 5-7, 2007. N=474 Democrats and leaners nationwide. MoE �
John edwards 12%
If that isn't a resounding no, then nothing is.
that isn't a resounding NO, then nothing is.
Sitka
Mon, 11/12/07
1:00 pm
So they couldn't get him on the ballot, they're now going the write-in option. We have a good field from which to pick from Biden to Kucinich. Write-in campaigns only result in Clinton.
Maybe that's what the whole draft Gore movement is about????
Sitka
Mon, 11/12/07
1:14 pm
Suddenly, Sitka's a poll watcher! Amazing how people change. You're going to have to justify this one, my friend. National polls are meaningless except as tools by the front-runner which you seem to be increasingly doing.
If we didn't have you keep coming here throwing down demands and putting up new dates, we might lose track of time.
Al Gore is miles above the demands of political dates and rhetorical buffoonery.
on topic: haven't we already had this posted a while back.
Frame the health care debate: What part of universal health care do you not agree with, Congress? If you won't vote for universal health care, as President, John Edwards will use his power to take yours away.
Pat in Colorado
Mon, 11/12/07
1:14 pm
Thanks, Pat.
That is NOT the action of a man considering running for the Presidency. He would have to resign from all these positions. Give it up.....and get the message. He IS NOT RUNNING.
Continuing on with this windmill tilting is only working to NOMINATE CLINTON! Sorry i had to shout!
in an interview conducted last month shortly after winning the Nobel Peace Prize. The announcement that Al Gore will join the board of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers,Silicon Valley's preeminent venture firm, with old pal John Doerr as an active, hands-on partner. Gore is joining the firm as Kleiner makes a risky move beyond information technology and health-care investing into the fast-growing and increasingly competitive arena of "clean technology."
The deal also brings Doerr in as a partner to Blood and Gore's Generation Manaagement company they started 3 years ago. Of course, this move can free him from having a more involved position for future political endeavors.
"Of course, he could have more impact as president, as he knows. “I want to be clear about the fact that I’m not making the mistake of assuming I could do more this way than I could as president,” he told us in Nashville. He also will not definitively take himself out of the political game.
“I am not going to give the so-called Sherman statement: If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.”
Then he smiled.
“You know, I know what it’s like to be elected and not serve.” He laughed louder than anyone at that line and then said, “I wouldn’t want to do that again.”"
And Mr. Gore continues working to move us in the right direction, even not in public office.
I just hope he will seek to make the final changes needed, which means from the Oval Office.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/11/news/new...
LOL Pat in Colorado, thank you. great minds think alike.
Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008
Oh, Lynn, being you're here....does this mean Paul is getting back in to politics? :D (big smile)
COME ON PAUL and SUSIE! Give Voinovich a run for the money. And, it will give you a chance to shine them on in DC!
32. But Mukasey hasn't done either of those things. We aren't into "guilt by association" are we?
OT, I am persuaded that "single payer" is a misnomer since we all pay and will continue to pay for health care.
What we really want is a universal health account which processes payments in an efficient and timely manner.
Clearly there might be some entities who are not qualified to receive payments--unlicensed doctors and bogus pharmaceutical makers, for example.
2.
Indy Steve
Mon, 11/12/07
12:40 pm
I see those waiting for a Saint to come and save us are on the attack, spreading hafl-truths attacking all the Democratic candidates.
Linda and Sitka, Nov. 8th passed without an "announcement". When next?
Edwards has made mistakes, and he admits them...
Obama is a decent man, too,...
But TOGETHER they would set up a progressive Adminstration for the next 16 years....
Edwards / Obama in 2008
Obama in 2016. He'll be 54 years young.
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Indy you seems ready to let "any" Democrat (not necessarily the "saint" one) "to save us"... and apparently get unlimited patience and lifeexpectancy..., lol.
Ultimately, that's what should happen anyway, imo, especially, taking into account that the "saint" One Linda and we all were/are awaiting, most likely will NOT enter, as he tentatively declared earlier, for one simple reason: HE DOES NOT BELIEVE himself or ANYONE else can "save" American People.
btw, if there is anything makes Gore "saint" it is his NON-ENTRANCE into this circus play, imo.
Contagious cancers
Scientists are only beginning to discover the hidden role of some viruses and bacteria
By Scott Allen
Globe Staff / November 12, 2007
The almond-shaped lump on Brian Hill's throat didn't make sense to him. The doctor said it was a symptom of advanced oral cancer, but Hill had never smoked a cigarette or chewed a plug of tobacco, considered the main causes of the disease when he was diagnosed in 1997. So why was it there?
Not until four years later did Hill get an explanation for his brush with death: a microbe called human papilloma virus-16 had apparently moved into his tonsils, gradually turning normal cells into cancer. Hill, now 59, had become part of a wave of relatively young nonsmokers who contracted oral cancer from the sexually transmitted virus, fueling an overall increase in new cases.
Viruses such as human papilloma may be the most overlooked bad guys in the war on cancer, silent invaders that contribute to more than a dozen malignancies and may cause 15 percent of the cancer cases worldwide each year.
"What we know about HPV-16 as a cancer causer is just the tip of the iceberg," said Hill, founder of the Oral Cancer Foundation, which funds research for a disease that strikes 34,000 Americans annually and is caused by the same virus that can lead to cancers of the cervix, vulva, anus, and penis.
[...]
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2007/11/12/contagious_cancers/
former
Mon, 11/12/07
1:28 pm
Not true, former. I am definitely NOT into SAVIORS. I am a pragamatic idealist. And I am not supporting AOD (any old Democrat). In fact, I've been very critical of the party lately.
I am supporting who I think will make a good, progressive President of the field who has decided to put themselves forward. And I have NEVER attacked Al Gore, unlike Gore supporters have attacked EVERY Dem candidate here.
All I say is continuing to support Gore when he has clearly decided not to run, will help nominate Clinton. I wish he had entered by Labor Day, but he didn't. Deal with reality.
Mon, 11/12/07
1:03 pm
The problem is you're holding the others to a standard you don't hold Gore. Edwards made mistakes. So did Gore. They are human beings and can alter their views and admit they were wrong.
Should I start listing the mistakes Gore made? When anyone does that, you attack. Just be fair and balanced.
People are not cast in cement to forever be tied to EVERYTHING they ever did or said. If someone says they made mistakes and correct them, I accept that. Then I think it's quite legitimate to HOLD THEM TO IT, which I will do with Edwards and everyone else.
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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 12, 2007 12:46 PM ESTHoward Dean is first and always voted first here!