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COUNCILWOMAN Linda Mastellone!

Written by: Rosi Efthim on Nov 7, 2007 12:13 AM EST

Linked to groups: Hunterdon DFA

Congratulations to Linda Mastellone - Hunterdon DFA's first homegrown local candidate - elected tonight to Flemington Borough Council. WIth her win, the Democrats take control in the Hunterdon County seat.

Congratulations too ... to the many Hunterdon DFA members who showed up today to drive Linda's win, and showed up over & over for weeks to provide the boots on the ground that introduced Linda to the voters. Thanks to those of you who wrote checks!

What's extraordinary ... is how DFA members took possession of this race, whether you lived in Flemington, or Lebanon, Union Twp., Clinton Twp., Califon, Raritan Twp.... Even Somerset & Middlesex counties (wow). You made Linda's win a priority, and you are extraordinary.

GOTV weekend kicked off with high-energy with DFA Chair Jim Dean and our own Linda Stender. And from now on, every win - like Linda Mastellone's, like Richard Kuhrt's in Raritan Twp. and Melonie Marano's win as Somerset Freeholder - cracks open opportunity for us to elect Stender to Congress in 2008. That's what you've done.

Tomorrow ... we have meetup scheduled. Let's use it as an opportunity to raise a glass in toast to ourselves, and to plan What's Next - - Hunterdon DFA, Wed. 7pm, Friendly Grounds on Mine St.

Rest easy Hunterdon DFA, you are amazing. >>>>> Rosi Efthim

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By mprov on Nov 7, 2007 9:09 AM EST

howard's 1st.

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By Huron John on Nov 7, 2007 9:13 AM EST

SURPRISE! NO KUCINICH ENDORSEMENT

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=4814

Dennis Kucinich won the Democrats For America straw poll with 44% of the vote, almost twice as much as the runner-up Obama. But DFA refused to endorse him.

DFA announced that a candidate had to have at least 66% of the vote in order to get their endorsement.

With so many candidates, it was unlikely any one of them could get 66%, but if they held a new poll with only the two or three frontrunners, Dennis could get that 66% easily. So of course they won't do it.

Democrats For America is an oxymoron like Progressive Democrats. Nobody can call themself a Democrat these days and still have anyone believe that they are for America or that they are progressive. 

That's why Congressional Democrats have only a 22% approval rating among Democratic voters.

Let's tell them that they'd have to have at least 66% in order to get our endorsement.

In order to poll that high, they'd have to put impeachment back on the table, stop funding the war, stop passing free trade agreements that cost Americans jobs, and start acting like Democrats. They may have forgotten how.

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By mprov on Nov 7, 2007 9:14 AM EST

what a typical load of crap, john. is there anyone else you'd like to insult.

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By Huron John on Nov 7, 2007 9:26 AM EST

3. Sour grapes are certainly the blue-plate special today. Authors of ad hominem attacks certainly deserve all the insults they get.

BTW, yet another new thread.

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By Monica Smith on Nov 7, 2007 12:26 PM EST

Looking at my email, I was just reminded of a peculiarity I've noticed. I've been getting A LOT of communications from entities that "look like" financial institution. They range from "paypal" to "bankofamerica" and "wells fargo" and "americanexpress" and they all indicate in the subject line some concern about my account. Since I don't have accounts with any of these entities and the financial institutions with which I do have accounts have not been provided with the email address I now use, I don't think the email address has been given out by my bank and the purported financial communications are all a scam. Which raises in my mind the question of who's decided to capitalize on the good name of financial entities to get validation of email addresses? I suspect that the addresses for the initial contact are computer generated by scouring the internet registrations. Validating the address is another concern.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 PM EST

Disregard 4. This is the new thread.

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By Huron John on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 PM EST

ATTACKING IRAN--WE CAN BE FOOLED AGAIN

AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_robert_w_071106_attacking_iran_3a_the_.htm

It seems a majority of us can get fooled again . . . and again . . . and yet again. In fact, a critical mass of the American electorate is taken in as easily as a photon of light is sucked down a black hole.Who would have thought that while the United States is embroiled in a war and occupation predicated on impeachable lies—that all but the comatose or Fox News devotees are aware of—a slight majority of Americans could be duped into supporting a pre-emptive attack on Iran based on “intelligence” provided by the Bush-Cheney administration.But sadly, that’s exactly what we seem prepared to do. According to a recent Zogby Poll, 52 percent of those interviewed supported a military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon—which experts believe will take at least another five years. Time enough for a diplomatic resolution.Granted, gullibility is inherent in our species and one can imagine its survival value in our evolutionary past. But we no longer live in caves or fight with clubs. Believing everything we hear or read does not enhance survival when smoking guns can turn into mushroom clouds.So how is it that we’ve let ourselves become such a Foolish Generation? Is the root of our foolishness nourished by the fact that 70 percent of Americans actually believe there is a devil in hell?  Given the mega-church mentality, with its crusader zeal and apocalyptic vision that has hijacked our generation’s collective conscience and political discourse, it’s not a large leap of faith to believe that Lucifer can turn his minions loose in Iraq or Iran or wherever.And if that faith is cynically exploited by corporate-owned Neocons bent on the conquest of the oil rich “Land of Evil” in the name of God and freedom, is our goose-stepping off to war really such a conundrum?President Bush raises the specter of World War III should Iran develop a single nuclear weapon (the U.S. and its allies have thousands), just as then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice conjured up imagines of mushroom clouds in the march to war with Iraq.Our attack on Iran could very possibly unleash WW III, but not for the reason Bush imagines. Nuclear-armed countries such as China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Israel, and all non-nuclear Muslim nations are inextricably bound in a web of strategic, economic and religious interests in the “Land of Evil” that cannot withstand our foolishness indefinitely.And the mushroom clouds we’ll see over Iran will not be from jihadist suicide bombers, but from our tactical bunker-busting nuclear missiles, which are an integral part of the military’s attack plan.

Lest we get fooled again:

People will die in this new war in Iran as they are in Iraq, as they did in Vietnam—as people do in war—by the tens of thousands or millions . . . one irreversible death at a time. 

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By Indy Steve on Nov 7, 2007 12:30 PM EST

Monica,

Your long treatise on the other thread doesn't deal with my statement that Edwards is taking on Clinton and contrasting with her on important issues. Why would you find that offensive? It's called good politics. Noone's attacking personally.

Edwards will withdraw all combat troops from Iraq and cease all offensive combat operations. Clinton won't. And who knows what Obama will do.

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By Indy Steve on Nov 7, 2007 12:31 PM EST

Congrats to all Progressive candidates who stepped up to the plate and ran for office. Whether you won the election or not, you are ALL WINNERS.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 12:45 PM EST

Edwards will withdraw all combat troops from Iraq and cease all offensive combat operations.

That's not what he said when asked point blank if he would. 

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 7, 2007 12:43 PM EST

Live!  From Central Florida

Boom! Boom!

The Space Shuttle has just flown over our little town on the St. John's River. I

We've heard these booms many times when they come in from the northwest. It's always good to hear even though they sometimes rattle a dish or two. It means they have almost arrived safely to Cape Kennedy.

Welcome home astronauts.

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 7, 2007 12:50 PM EST

Discovery safely on the ground now.

We here in Florida, especially Central Florida, are very much "into" these space missions.

Yet I don't agree that this country needs neither them nor can afford them. There are so many other important ways to spend that money, war or not war.

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By Monica Smith on Nov 7, 2007 1:08 PM EST

8. Combat troops are irrelevant. Talking about combat troops is like treating a hang-nail while the foot is rotting from gangreen.

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By Monica Smith on Nov 7, 2007 1:17 PM EST

Remarks of Senator Christopher J. Dodd
Fighting Terrorism, Defending the Rule of Law
Iowa City Foreign Relations Council
Tuesday, November 6, 2007

Thank you, Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, for that introduction and for all you’ve done. As the Navy JAG officer who helped win one of the most important Supreme Court cases in recent memory, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, you helped prove that the President cannot overturn the rule of law and establish his own system of justice.

I also want to thank you for calling my attention to some wonderful words from George Marshall, architect of the D-Day invasion, and namesake of the Marshall Plan. Here’s what he said:

“The United States abides by the laws of war….Wanton killing, torture, cruelty, or the workings of unusual hardship on enemy prisoners or populations is not justified under any circumstances. Likewise respect for the reign of law…is expected to follow the flag wherever it goes.”

George Marshall spoke those words in the middle of last century; but they could have been spoken at any time in our history.

Those words sum up a founding insight: that the rule of law extends even to those enemies we most despise; that our Constitution’s principles are transcendent; that in America, right makes might.

With the law following our flag, we threw down tyrants and oppressors for two centuries; we rid the world of Nazism and Soviet communism; we proved that great strength can serve great virtue.

America was a light to the world, and our adherence to the rule of law the foundation of our security for the last half of the 20th century.

Today, in the early years of the 21st century, our defining question is a very simple one:

Can we defend America if we fail to defend our Constitution and the rule of law?

That’s not a loaded question—there are a good number of Americans who say the answer is Yes.

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http://chrisdodd.com/blog/iowa-city-rule...

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 1:20 PM EST

Emotionally, I'm a big fan of the manned space program since childhood. But I've come to think that machines can be built to do the same things people do up there much more cheaply, and safely.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 1:21 PM EST

Combat troops are irrelevant. Talking about combat troops is like treating a hang-nail while the foot is rotting from gangreen.

Yes. Any troops left in a war zone will be targets of attack and will by necessity be combat troops. 

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By Susan Rowe on Nov 7, 2007 1:12 PM EST

Video interview by Matt Browner-Hamlin a Dodd Campaign Blogger with AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein. He’s the technician who revealed that the NSA has secret rooms for sweeping up massive amounts of electronic communications on the internet.... read more here: http://chrisdodd.com/whistleblower

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By sandy m on Nov 7, 2007 1:24 PM EST

I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I cannot support John Edwards because he voted for the Iraq war, plain and simple, no matter if he saids he is sorry, it doesn't matter, he said he read the intelligence report before, but come to find out he didn't read the classified version.  I cannot and will not support any candidate who voted for the Iraq war.  It is as much their war as George Bush's.

  Also I cannot understand John Edwards votes on the bankruptcy reform bill.  Not only did he vote for bankruptcy reform siding with the credit card companies, he voted with republicans against an amendment that would have excluded people with medical problems resulting in bankruptcy in the reform.  He voted with republicans to limit debate on the bill.  Not a man of the people IMHO.

When he was running for President in the last election, before being nominated for VP, I saw a candid clip of him with two young campaign workers on CSPAN, IMHO he was cynical and sneering.

Here is another person's take on John Edwards.

Why I see John Edwards as a big phony: Director's Cut

http://blogs.thestate.com/bradwarthensblog/2007/08/why-i-see-john-.html

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By seashell on Nov 7, 2007 1:26 PM EST

I found this comment by John Edwards particularly offensive.

"What's more, Senator Clinton wants to keep combat troops in Iraq to perform combat missions in Iraq. She will extend the war. I will end the war. Only in Washington would anybody believe that you can end the war and continue combat. On a matter as serious as Iraq, we need honesty and real answers -- not more double-talk."

I find this comment entirely true...mostly.  He didn't say WHEN he would end the world.  In fact, he, Obama and Clinton said that they would not guarantee anything until 2013.

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That said, negative attacks, unfortunately, do work and work well.

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What does it say about this country when 70% of the people believe in the devil and over half think bombing Iran is just fine, thank you very much.  If these stats are true,  I will again harp on the theory I have that the belief in the Bible is the root of most/all evil, and that people can be easily manipulated as long as the *devil* (pick a country) is out to nuke us.  God forbid anybody should ever die or question their insane beliefs about devils, male gods, nukes and elected officials.

Xianity teaches us that all men are born evil.  That applies to everyone except the Americans, who project their dangerous religious beliefs onto other countries, while remaining sanctimonious about their own superiority, which covers alarming inferiority, as evidenced by the addictive nature of this country.

That'll be $150 please.  LOL 

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By Linda on Nov 7, 2007 1:28 PM EST

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SURPRISE! NO KUCINICH ENDORSEMENT

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypa...
Dennis Kucinich won the Democrats For America straw poll with 44% of the vote, almost twice as much as the runner-up Obama. But DFA refused to endorse him.

DFA announced that a candidate had to have at least 66% of the vote in order to get their endorsement.

With so many candidates, it was unlikely any one of them could get 66%, but if they held a new poll with only the two or three frontrunners, Dennis could get that 66% easily. So of course they won't do it.

Democrats For America is an oxymoron like Progressive Democrats. Nobody can call themself a Democrat these days and still have anyone believe that they are for America or that they are progressive.

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WOW, now even that surprises me. IS the Kucinich folks supporting limited participation to Front Runners and not giving everyone a chance?

You think they would have been happy being allowed to participate in the poll, without resorting to complaining of not receiving an endorsement because the didn't reach the 66 percent needed for one. Something they knew but were leaving off even their emails and website asking for the vote. According to Dennis, he should have been happy "shocking the pundits to win this poll".

But at least the supporter could get the name of the organization right if he wants to complain that their win wasn't good enough. It is Democracy for America and, they should try to be honest and post the correct winning numbers while he's asking to limit the poll to only top tier candidate.

Candidate % Votes
Representative Dennis Kucinich 31.97% 49364

Former Vice President Al Gore 24.77% 38242

Former Senator John Edwards 15.6% 24078

Senator Barack Obama 13.86% 21403

Senator Hillary Clinton 4.21% 6504

Governor Bill Richardson 4.09% 6309

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By Martha Miller on Nov 7, 2007 1:18 PM EST

3. mprove:

Do you support the DLC cannibals? 

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By seashell on Nov 7, 2007 1:30 PM EST

As long as Heaven and Hell  and God are taught to be places and deities outside of us, instead of inner states of Being while on earth, we might as well destroy the nukes and pick up the clubs.

We are all God.

Now CNN is having a debate on Jesus and some Biblical stuff.  That and he torture debate that continues.

What a country.  All these idiots talk as tho they have hotlines to their external god.

We are woefully undereducated spiritually. 

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By rich^kolker on Nov 7, 2007 1:31 PM EST

Man, what did John Edwards do to some people to get them so pissed off?

Let me guess.  Be both progressive and be able to motivate on the campaign trail, same as Dean did four years ago.  I'm not saying they're the same, they're not, but I remember the anti-Dean stuff that came from the left four years ago, and it sounds like the same playbook.

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By Huron John on Nov 7, 2007 1:31 PM EST

THE CASE OF THE SLIMY SENATOR-SCHUMER.........

http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff11072007.html

Chuck Schumer did it again! He's voted to confirm Judge Mike Mukasey's nomination for Attorney General. In testimony before the Senate, Mukasey refused to admit that the barbaric practice of water boarding constituted torture. In an Op Ed in the New York Times, Schumer defended his vote by claiming that Mukasey would reestablish the credibility of the Justice Department and depoliticize the institution.

Schumer's double talk on torture caps off the Senator's growing moves to appease Bush's priorities both domestically and internationally. Schumer, the third ranking Democratic leader in the Senate, supported the Patriot Act and also voted to extend said legislation. Though he voted against confirmation of Conservative Judges Samuel Alito and John Roberts to the Supreme Court, he did little to support a filibuster of the Alito nomination. Indeed, like some of his Democratic colleagues in the Senate Schumer even mocked such efforts.


Simultaneously Schumer, along with his Republican counterpart John Kyl, proposed legislation designed to enable federal agents to more easily monitor individuals in the U.S. using powerful foreign intelligence surveillance warrants.

On international affairs, Schumer voted for the Iraq invasion as well as billions of dollars in ongoing funding for the war. Speaking on Fox News Sunday, Schumer boasted that the Democrats sought to give the troops even more money than Bush had requested. "Nothing-nothing-will stand in our way of supporting the troops in every way," he said. When confronted by his local constituents on Iraq, he turns nasty and calls them "fools" for suggesting that the U.S. should organize an immediate troop withdrawal. Seeking to deflect criticism, Schumer seeks to build up his liberal stripes by saying that he once protested the war in Vietnam. He has also voted, along with the junior Senator from New York, Hilary Clinton, to designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran a foreign terrorist organization. Some have interpreted the move as an effort to give Bush the authority to eventually make war on the Islamic Republic.

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By Linda on Nov 7, 2007 1:31 PM EST

just a drive by.....

....just got off the phone with linda b.....she doesn't have internet......:(


But I need to let you know that they TURNED VIRGINIA BLUE yesterday!!!

John Miller won the Senate seat in Virginia.


many kudos to all, but DEFINITELY Linda B!!!!
...and of course, Rich who also worked on the election.

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By Susan Rowe on Nov 7, 2007 1:21 PM EST

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Susan Rowe
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http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22863...

DFA bases most all their membership numbers on those folks who are registered at the DFA-Link. In California we still have some "very large" local groups who still use Meetup as their online organizational tool. The "real" membership numbers in California are very different than what appears at the DFA-Link. Anybody can join DFA-Link and a DFA-Link group anywhere in the country but that doesn't mean they do anything. Our local group has a lot of folks who don't even have an email address. Grassroots and netroots folks are not necessarily the same. You can be one or both. For this reason, I've never seriously considered their numbers at the DFA-Link very relevant for any kind of analysis and neither should DFA HQ.

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By Huron John on Nov 7, 2007 1:37 PM EST

AIPAC RULES!!

http://www.counterpunch.org/cook11072007.html

Shakespeare's Caesar caustically commented, "Cowards die many times before their deaths; / The valiant never taste of death but once." Curious how our lawmakers huddle behind their sophistries, their voice votes, their parliamentary play acting to avoid the daring feat that would force them to confront the moral consequences of their obsequious pandering to the lobbyists who pad their pin striped suits with the means to stay in office, all the while selling their souls to their executioners. Every day they die another death; every day a new resurrection to fulfill their obligation to their puppeteers. How different from their forebears who understood the valiant feast on liberty, even in the face of death: "Americans! Liberty or Death" rang through the hills of Massachusetts and all the colonies as the Revolution loomed, a fervor marked by foreigners because they could see the Americans really meant it. But how can our representatives be free if they are at the mercy of a foreign lobby?

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By seashell on Nov 7, 2007 1:37 PM EST

What do Mukasey, Schumer and Feinstein have in common?

Hint:  It starts with an I.

IMO. 

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By Martha Miller on Nov 7, 2007 1:27 PM EST

Torture is a sadistically evil, brutally cruel, unjust and oppressive punishment atrocity for which an average citizen would be criminalized and imprisoned for life, if the same kind of torture was done to an animal, much less a human being. The DLC and RIGHT WING government DUOPOLY justify torture by the DLC and RIGHT WING DUOPOLY, as the DLC RIGHT WING DUOPOLY surmises the DLC and RIGHT WING DUOPOLY are above the existing law, are a law unto themselves or will make laws that will protect only the DLC RIGHT WING DUOPOLY. It is time for the GREATER MAJORITY American citizens to wake up and realize that the DLC/RIGHT WING DUOPOLY that has taken over our nation is only a minority of the population justifying their OWN actions themselves to not be subject to the greater 3/4th majority common population, since the DLC has taken over Congress. It is time for WE THE PEOPLE to bring a STOP to the DLC's control of Congress and vote out any member of Congress ever known to be a member of the DLC subjunct fascist organization that has infested Congress. http://blogforamerica.com/view/22628#more

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 1:40 PM EST

What do Mukasey, Schumer and Feinstein have in common?

They're Spanish Inquisition buffs? 

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By rich^kolker on Nov 7, 2007 1:40 PM EST

lindab worked a lot harder than I did.  This time around I pretty much limited my activities to working the polls on election day, and a few campaign contributions.  Congrats to lindab and thanks to everyone who ran and put themselves on the line to do something for their country.

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By seashell on Nov 7, 2007 1:41 PM EST
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By seashell on Nov 7, 2007 1:42 PM EST

Sitka, oops, wrong again.  You've one guess left.  :-)

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By linda b on Nov 7, 2007 1:44 PM EST

Hey Linda back on the internets but who knows for how long, they are doing some work here.

John Miller is more an independent than a democrat and I will hold his feet to the fire.

We worked really hard so when I see people saying well the are dems and not progressives, that is so wrong.

A lot of the people here didn't  even say democrat, they called miller an independent.

So please don't take the air out of our baloon. we worked durn hard here.

we won in a part of Va that I have been saying for years needs progressive endorsement.

The fact that NO ONE from DFA wants to have training speaks a lot. Just go where there are a lot more dems and Maybe, just maybe we can win some.

WE WON HERE IN OUR DISTRICT CAUSE WE BELIEVED IN OUR CANDIDATE AND OUR MESSAGE.

VIRGINIA IS TURNING BLUE. YIPEE.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 1:46 PM EST

Man, what did John Edwards do to some people to get them so pissed off?

Let me guess.  Be both progressive and be able to motivate on the campaign trail, same as Dean did four years ago.

Having voted for the most odius aspects of Bush's agenda is hardly progressive. 

As for motivating, he doesn't seem to be motivating any more people than he did in 2004.

In short, the last thing we need in America is somebody like him coming up and telling us what we need to do. 

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By linda b on Nov 7, 2007 1:46 PM EST

THANKS RICH. Everyone liked your list of things to bring to the polls  you gave me.

You have the background to give out good info and to be pragmatic.

I don't like  the people that say now that we won "at least he isn't a repub, as their mantra.

Why don't you just knock me upside of the head.

Thanks for the complement.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 1:51 PM EST

I don't like  the people that say now that we won "at least he isn't a repub, as their mantra.

"At least he isn't a Repub," used to be my mantra. Then I realized it's too often a meaningless thing to say.

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By linda b on Nov 7, 2007 1:53 PM EST

I stood out in the cold rain yesterday telling people about howard dean and when they say something neg I always say "but he is always right" they then say nothing.

I talk about health care , education, success by six.

So the reason I do this is because of Howard and what he gave us.

Inspiration. Take it back. I am.

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By Susan Rowe on Nov 7, 2007 1:45 PM EST

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Indeed.

Mass ignorance is truly the diseasement of this present day civilization.

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By Bob Flisser on Nov 7, 2007 1:47 PM EST

Linda Mastellone has been an active DFA member since the early days of the organization, and we are all proud to have her as our first home-grown candidate and elected official. Members of Hunterdon County for Democracy did what Gov. Dean said to do -- show up everywhere.

With Linda's victory -- unseating a right-wing incumbent -- progressive Democrats now have a majority on the town council in one of the reddest parts of the state. Going door-to-door, we had the opportunity to show voters of all political stripes that good government makes sense regardless of party label.

Along with the other races that Rosi mentioned, DFA continues to help turn red New Jersey blue.

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By Susan Rowe on Nov 7, 2007 1:55 PM EST

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Good for you and good for us.


Howard Dean is indeed always first!

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please recommend these posts.

How should progressives talk about health care security in America? http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22858...

Thank You, Howard! http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22881...

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By rich^kolker on Nov 7, 2007 2:07 PM EST

Every election where there's a "pure" but not politically skilled progressive (or liberal) and another, perhaps with a few scuff marks, but who also can play the politics game, the purists always whine and try to explain to the rest of us how evil the other guy is.

See 1968 and McCarthy vs. Kennedy...that was really nasty

See 2004 and Kucinich and Dean (why do you think Kucinich mde the deal with Edwards?)

Plenty more examples.

Kucinich may be right on the issues but he can't campaign his way out of a paper bag, which  he's proved election cycle after election cycle. His supporters can't understand this, so they try to tear down the opponant they think is standing in the way.  This time its mostly Edwards.

To bring it full circle, a lot of Dean people from 2004 still blame everyone but the campaign (INCLUDING kUCINICH)  for losing Iowa.  The bottom line is, a good campaign would have taken the hits we were getting from Gebby and Kerry and the 527s  and turned them around.  We weren't ready to do that, and I blame that to a great extent on HQ and on Howard.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 2:08 PM EST

In 2004 Edwards conspired with Kucinich to be the spoiler and hand Iowa to Kerry. Edwards was rewarded with the VP selection.

Look for him and K to do the same to Obama this time around. 

 

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2007 1:56 PM EST

lindab

you are an inspiration too

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2007 1:58 PM EST

Let's put Gore up head to head against Kucinich in a pulse poll.

I'm game.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 2:11 PM EST

His supporters can't understand this, so they try to tear down the opponant they think is standing in the way.  This time its mostly Edwards.

I'm not a Kucinigan. I just call Edwards and the others like I see them.  

And lately it's been Edwardians making the big stink around here because he didn't win the pulse poll.

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By Linda Mastellone on Nov 7, 2007 2:13 PM EST

Lost in the non-post related drivel is Bob Flisser's comment.

I won because of Bob and his time, effort, and money.  And all my friends at DFA in Hunterdon and around the state.

See my blog:

http://www.blogforamerica.com/browse

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2007 2:02 PM EST

Howard made a similar deal with Carole Moseley-Braun as I remember it sitka, politics is building coalitions, and not one of these candidates have a snowball's chance in hell of being President if they don't attract supporters of the others

Edwards and Kucinich have many shared values.

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 2:15 PM EST

non-post related drivel

If it weren't for non-post related drivel this blog would be empty most of the time.

DFA surely appreciates the traffic regardless of whether or not it's on topic. 

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By rich^kolker on Nov 7, 2007 2:16 PM EST

I haven't seen compaints about the results of the "pulse poll" as much as about the process, and those compaints started long before Kucinich had his surge.  So, Phil, head to head makes no difference if the process is the same.

Darn, promised I wasn't going to talk about the poll any more. 

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 2:18 PM EST

and those compaints started long before Kucinich had his surge.

That's right. They started when Gore knocked Edwards out of first. 

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2007 2:10 PM EST

Linda Mastellone has been an active DFA member since the early days of the organization

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Bob she doesn't have much knowledge of how the blog normally operates, or she wouldn't come and call the other posts drivel because they are on topic because they never have been and never will be, but congrats on your victory. you get an A from Howard

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By rich^kolker on Nov 7, 2007 2:23 PM EST

Not from me.  I didn't even see any of the poll results until Gore was already leading.

Of course, my problems with Internet polling go back to 2004 when we as the Dean campaign used to freep them for Howard.  You can look it up.

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2007 2:14 PM EST

I just get a kick out of a Kucinich supporter who wants to limit the poll to those polling higher, it is so Clinton.

Gore would kick DK's *ss.

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By Huron John on Nov 7, 2007 2:27 PM EST

seashell :-)
Wed, 11/07/07
1:37 pm


What do Mukasey, Schumer and Feinstein have in common?

Hint:  It starts with an I.

Idiocy

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By Sitka on Nov 7, 2007 2:30 PM EST

Of course, my problems with Internet polling go back to 2004 when we as the Dean campaign used to freep them for Howard.  You can look it up.

No need to google "molehill." 

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By Susan Rowe on Nov 7, 2007 2:20 PM EST

I just want to make this very clear. Former Vice President Al Gore is not a candidate, yet. This is a DRAFT GORE campaign and we're still at it.

If anybody wants help in California here are the details below.


----- Original Message -----
From: California Draft Gore
To: Susan
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Al Gore Keeps Door Open on Run


Help Us Put Gore on California Ballot

Dear Fellow Al Gore Supporter,

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine just after he won the Noble Peace Prize, Al Gore was asked what he had to say to those of us who are working to bring him into the race. Here is a part of his answer: "If I do get back in the political system in the future well, keep that energy stored up and let's have a go at it then." A few days before, Gore's Chief of Staff, Roy Neel, said that Gore has not ruled out a run in the future and then defined "future" as "after today."

The campaign to put Al Gore's name on the California ballot is a very significant stepping stone to getting Gore into the race. But we're running out of time. We need to raise funds to hire help in collecting signatures in our rural, red congressional districts. You can help. Please make a contribution today.

http://www.california4gore.org/contribut...

Since October 8, volunteers across the California have been gathering the signatures of registered Democrats on Nomination Papers issued by the California Secretary of State nominating Al Gore's name to be placed on the February 5 California presidential primary ballot. We have been slowed by the fires. We have also been slowed in the rural districts, where Democrats are spread out and we have fewer volunteers.

We cannot reach everyone who supports Al Gore and wants to have their voice be heard without your help, We have less than four weeks to collect 500 signatures in every congressional district. We will need to use professional petition circulaters on a spot-basis. This requires money. Please help us raise enough money to put Gore on the California primary ballot. Give whatever you can.

http://www.california4gore.org/contribut...

For the most part, we are in process of collecting the required signatures using volunteers. Across the state, California Draft Gore volunteers are going to Farmers Markets, Street Fairs, college campuses and other public locations and collecting signatures. They would love for you to join them. Join us today and be a part of history.

http://www.california4gore.org/volunteer...

If you cannot join us, you can still participate in collecting signatures. Everyone can play a part in this effort. All you have to do is follow this link to (1) download the Guidelines for Nomination Papers, (2) download the Nomination Papers, (3) sign the Nomination Papers and gather as many other signatures as you wish, (4) complete and sign the affidavit and (5) mail the completed Nomination Papers to California Draft Gore, P.O. Box 178799, San Diego, CA 92177:

Download Guidelines and Nomination Papers here

Thanks so much,

Roy Gayhart
Organizer
California Draft Gore
www.california4gore.org
858-581-1024



roy@california4gore.org California Draft Gore