People of peace are always first.......politicians and bureacrats are second.......you eant peace?  I mean REALY want peace?  Then you cant keep electing candidates like we see from both parties with he exception of Kucinich and Gravel..............but the bigger obstacle is the military indistrial complex and our masters from you know where.............................hint: oil and ME

Chair or the D.N.C. - Howard Dean M.D.
is

FIRST


If a candidate for nomination

fails to support the rules of the Party

they shall be last.

or s/b of

clippings:

~Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards have pledged not to campaign in Michigan or Florida, two states that have bucked their party's nomination schedule.~

+

~Bill Richardson just announced that he has signed a pledge to respect the Pre-February 5 window set by the Democratic National Committee.~

~~~ ~~~~~ ~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~ ~~~~~~~

OK, so that's four that I know of who will respect the rules.

I am not up on the others, but undersatand that Mr Kucinich from Ohio does not respect the rules.

So


Kucinich as a candidate can bite me; Kucinich is last...dead last.

from Mark twain.......

"The statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." -- "Chronicle of Young Satan" Mark Twain

..and since it is Sunday, also from Twain.. The War Prayer...


"O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale form of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."

~Democrats Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd and Joe Biden on Friday pledged not to campaign in states that hold early nominating contests in violation of party rules~

OK, so the Dems who are viable for me at this point are:

Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Clinton, Obama and John Edwards

All those in favor of spending another $50 billion... say...Aye.

Not another dime, chilimac.

"smugness never wins in politics" ~Robert Reich

Said on THIS WEEK with George Steponmyhigalot...

and there is the definitive! George Will.

Hey mr Will, how 'bout one of those baseball analogies?

George Stuffitupyoursnout

discounted Matt Bie's remark,

in which he described the Repug Admin and The Repug Party in general, and Press Sec Tony Snow specifically

as being out of touch and having a case of tin-ear.


Why you wonder?

Tony Snow said that HIS $168,000/year with full and top tier health care

for himself and his three kids


is putting him in the poor house.



Yup, George swept it away fast as you can say compassion.

CBS


says Larry Craig was subjected to out of control police.

a victim of a police lynching?


Did Craig plead guilty?


Oh me oh my, the poor oppressed bourgeoisie!

Commie, pinko, liberal, f@g.

To jail!

Spector calls for Larry Craig to fight his guilty plea in Minnesota and keep his seat in the Senate.

Spector wants to forget about yesterday and not investigate Gonzales further.

Do we not learn from our mistakes?

Does history has something of value to teach?


Spector, like Sen Cain, has no credibility in moderate circles, both are sleeper partisans.

"forget about yesterday"


^ you know that this MAY BE a current and future Repug talking point.

IS ?

"former Democratic senator Bob Kerrey possibly waiting in the wings"

in Nebraska? Against Sen Hagel?

Obstructionist-in-Chief Mitch McConnell Targeted Again on Iraq

Obstructionist-in-Chief Mitch McConnell

Targeted Again on Iraq



Check out These Ads Slamming Mitch McConnell

on Iraq Side-by-Side...Powerful





Click Here to View the Current Ad Being Run by Americans Against Escalation (AAEI) in Iraq Entitled "Progress"



Click Here to View the Ad Run Earlier in Kentucky by AAEI Partner Americans United for Change Entitled "Wrong"


http://www.americansunitedforchange.org/...

14.

Imn2Paine

I'm sure happy it's Spector and a Republican that is back peddling and not another Democrat-for a change!

Gravel and Kucinich in failing to decide to follow the DNC RULES

have shut the door on their run to become POTUS.





Shrum
to
Matlin

" you are not representative of the idea common American"


Finally! About fricken time someone called her the ugly duckling she is. Now it is incumbent on all to jump on her and stomp her into the ground. Bury her, and her hubby will take time away for the funeral.

18.

Linda*in*SFNM
>
Right and thank g@d for Lahey who wants to keep peddlin' forward and learn.

Shrum
to
Matlin

" you are not representative of the ideal common American"

and


"this is the relentless rhetoric of redemption"

Hey folks, Schrum is doin' OK as a pundit on MTP.

Oh, and Schrum described Matlin's shift on what the Dems want (ie a precipitous withdrawl of U.S. troops as a

"Cheneyism"


I think I'm accurrate.

a video of Gravel and John (Cougar[I just LOVE HIM and have for so long[)Mellancamp on Real Time with Bill Maher.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jGAFaOXkLag&m...

Matlin's husband (forget his name) is not of heavy value to Dems...even as NBC, Russert, and MTP market him to the potential viewer.

Russert as political scold:

Russert asked carville w/not Hillary was playing
"the terrorist card"
with a stern face.

Imn2Paine
Sun, 09/02/07
10:53 am
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You certainly cannot be that stupid(or nieve if you want politenes)..............

They never stood a chance anyway........................

26.

Michael Ellis
Sun, 09/02/07
11:09 am

if you want politenes)..............
>

as if, IN GENERAL, you were anything like respectful here, Mike.


I may be "nieve" as you might describe me, and it is valid. I am somewhat nieve; but, my intention in critisizing Gravel and Kucinich, both of whom I like, is display to bloggers like you the reality of how the field is narrowed.

Before this Florida failure to follow the DNC rules crystalized I found all eight viable.

It's 11:30

TTFN

Ravi Shankar

CD: Tana Mana
Song: "Tana Mana"

http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/

OK, so the Dems who are viable for me at this point are: Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Clinton, Obama and John Edwards

Having voted to invade Iraq allows candidates to be viable, but campaigning in FL doesn't?

It's a strange world. 

Having voted to invade Iraq allows candidates to be viable,...

===============

Heard on Neocon TV commercial "I think the Congrees was right to vote for invading Iraq..."

This spin is a lie both you and the Neocons are perpetrating - something the Far Left and Far Right have in common.

The vote for UN inspections, and giving the President authorization to enforce those inspections, was NOT a vote to invade.

Paine..
you might want to consider.... who made the first change to the Dem primary
calendar in a quarter century(in '02) and why he did it...supposedly to 'unite the
party EARLY around the Dem nominee'(DLC'er Kerry in 04) and of course now
dear Hillary...

..and yes... he's also(no surprise!!!!!) a campaign chairman for her.......

It is a strange world - that I will agree

I skipped Russert MTP this morning when I saw the Cajun and his wife. Also Wash Journal had a great lineup. They had this guy named Christopher Hayes about his article in the Nation on the "NAFTA Superhighway" -- he said what he says are the facts -- namely that yes it's 3 football fields wide in TX but it ends there. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Here's a link to his article which I admit I haven't actually read yet.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/ha...

Here's an excerpt:
There's no such thing as a proposed NAFTA Superhighway.

Though opposition to the nonexistent highway is the cause célèbre of many a paranoiac, the myth upon which it rests was not fabricated out of whole cloth. Rather, it has been sewn together from scraps of fact.

He did say that we can't know too much about the recent SPP meeting of Bush and the Mex and Can leaders because it was all secret.

----------------

The other interesting guest was a guy who was saying that Chavez in Venezuela gets a bad wrap in the US, that Chavez said incendiary things about USA because we tried to overthrow him in 2002 but other than that he is a 'pragmatic guy' and that Venezuela oil money has become the IMF of South America -- they are no longer dependent on us for resources, ergo, they do not have to follow US policies. It was a great, intelligent half hour and I wish to heck I could remember the guys name or institute to give you a link.

Oh and I agree with Paine -- if the candidates don't fall in line with Howard, they can't have my vote, not that they ever had it in the first place and I can't vote in the primary anyway.

The vote for UN inspections, and giving the President authorization to enforce those inspections, was NOT a vote to invade.

There's one born every minute. 

Annilow
Sun, 09/02/07
11:48 am 

THIS IS INTERESTING FROM YOUR LINK

.... Equipped with high-tech electronic customs monitors, freight from China, offloaded into nonunionized Mexican ports, will travel north, crossing the border with nary a speed bump, bound for Kansas City, where the cheap goods manufactured in booming Far East factories will embark on the final leg of their journey into the nation's Wal-Marts.

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Many Chinese products are banned from importation into Mexico because they are seen as competitors in global contracts.

Global Waming Interactive Map

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22058...

From Christoper Hayes piece, this is just an outstanding paragraph:

But there's something more. The myth of the NAFTA Superhighway persists and grows because it taps into deeply felt anxieties about the dizzying dislocations of twenty-first-century global capitalism: a nativist suspicion of Mexico's designs on US sovereignty, a longing for national identity, the fear of terrorism and porous borders, a growing distrust of the privatizing agenda of a government happy to sell off the people's assets to the highest bidder and a contempt for the postnational agenda of Davos-style neoliberalism. Indeed, the image of the highway, with its Chinese goods whizzing across the border borne by Mexican truckers on a privatized, foreign-operated road, is almost mundane in its plausibility. If there was a NAFTA highway, you could bet that Tom Friedman would be for it--what could be more flattening than miles of concrete paved across the continent?--and Lou Dobbs would be zealously opposed. In fact, Dobbs has devoted a segment of his show to the highway, its nonexistence notwithstanding. "These three countries moving ahead their governments without authorization from the American people, without Congressional approval," he said. "This is as straightforward an attack on national sovereignty as there could be outside of war."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/ha...

The vote for UN inspections, and giving the President authorization to enforce those inspections, was NOT a vote to invade.

There's one born every minute

=====================

Yea, myopic idiots, like you and John, helping the Neocons with their case, like the "young Turks" in the Democratic Party who trashed Carter and helped Reagan to win in 1980

Yea, myopic idiots, like you and John, helping the Neocons with their case, like the "young Turks" in the Democratic Party who trashed Carter and helped Reagan to win in 1980

FRED hates name calling. 

Florida's primary will be a straw vote (for both parties). We will vote and our votes will be counted but our electors will not go to the convention.

If our Dem votes were to be counted at the convention, then my own thinking would probably be somewhat different than it otherwise will be. I may have been voting against a leading candidate by voting for another top competitor.

As a straw voter, I will feel free to vote for a "lower tier" candidate I would like to nominated without those chess game ulterior motives.

And, as a first primary election in the country (at least at present), a straw vote by the country's fourth most populous state could still be quite influential in later primaries.

I don't like myopic idiots either.

or suckers

Florida's primary will be a straw vote (for both parties). We will vote and our votes will be counted but our electors will not go to the convention.

Expect some quiet deal to be made before then to accredit FL's delegates. The last thing the party wants is for their infomercial convention to be ruined by rancor. 

41. Good point Joan -- even though it 'doesn't count' it could count.

I don't like myopic idiots either. 

Then, for god's sake, stay away from mirrors! 

34.

I can't vote in the primary anyway. 

Anni,

Sure you can vote. 

On January 29, 2008, Florida will have a Presidential Preference Primary & Special Election (Amendments). As a poll worker, I have already received our instructions and dates.

Our votes will be more like straw votes. Dems get no electors and Repugs get half of theirs. Be sure and vote on Jan. 29 as the amendments are very important ones having to do with property taxes and restrictions on growth for all of Florida. (Close the gates!!)

no quiet deal will be made if those delegates would lead to one outcome while the legal delegates from a later process would lead to another outcome

 Bob Schieffer. (CBS)   was actually under the impression that Biden was against immediate withdrawal from Iraq - that's the effect our bloggers have on the media.  Biden had to remind him that there was a  Biden-Levin bill back in January 2007 that called for 80% withdrawal by Spring of 2008. 

That date no longer looks possible from a logistical standpoint.

45.

Anni,

Didn't see your post first. You are right, they don't count but can have a huge influence.

49.

Bob Schieffert only sees and hears what he wants to.

Did you notice how his repug candidate pundit discussion got five minutes while the Dems got about 20 seconds?

44.

Expect some quiet deal to be made

Sitka

Apparently you do not understand the determination and leadership qualities of Howard Dean.

bbl

Joan* In*Florida
Sun, 09/02/07
12:19 pm

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But some of his last words on previous shows were really anti-occupation - so l'm confused - is he playing both sides or just naive?

Bob Schieffer. (CBS)   was actually under the impression that Biden was against immediate withdrawal from Iraq - that's the effect our bloggers have on the media.  Biden had to remind him that there was a  Biden-Levin bill back in January 2007 that called for 80% withdrawal by Spring of 2008.

To everybody but a myopic idiot, leaving 20% of the current number of Americans in Iraq means reduction rather than withdrawl.

Only a myopic idiot doesn't realize that if one's toes are still in the bear trap, one's whole foot might as well be.

Money accumulated in less than two weeks for an ad in Iowa to end the occupation

evidence of a deal would be if the actual delegates selected for Denver differed widely from the straw poll

 but remember the Iowa caucus sets the allocation of delegates, but if candidates drop out prior to the actual selection of the individual delegates, they are free to support another candidate first at the County Convention and then again before Delegates are elected at the District Convention or the final smaller group elected at large from the State Convention in June, and all of the states go through a somewhat similar process

no quiet deal will be made if those delegates would lead to one outcome while the legal delegates from a later process would lead to another outcome

How will "legal" delegates be chosen if the voters of FL are disenfranchised? 

To everybody but a myopic idiot, leaving 20% of the current number of Americans in Iraq means reduction rather than withdrawl.

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What experience do you have in this area of expertise?

most state primaries set allocation of delegates, and I know of none where the actual names of the delegates are on a statewide ballot, so asking Florida to take an intermediate step is not picking on them since most other states do have such a step

Money accumulated in less than two weeks for an ad in Iowa to end the occupation

"Hi. I'm Joe Biden. Only someone who helped lead America into Iraq can lead it out again. Since George Bush can't be president for a third term, please give me your support. And don't listen to myopic idiots who say public figures should be held accountable for their actions."

In Iowa the "legal" delegates are elected at District Conventions in May and the State Convention in June

no reason Florida can't use a similar process as they have a legal system of bodies that can legally fill empty spots on a ballot after the primary(Dave Loebsack was nominated in such a fasion and is now Congressman Loebsack. )

the National Delegates can be elected in Florida in a similar fashion

What experience do you have in this area of expertise?

At least as much as FRED. 

In other words it should be easy for Florida to elect National Delegates that will be seated.