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Face the Nation (CBS): Karl Rove on politics and the 2008 presidential race.
This Week (ABC): This Sunday, a live 90-minute debate with the Democratic presidential contenders on a special edition of "This Week With George Stephanopoulos."
The candidates: Senator Joe Biden, D-Del., Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Senator Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Former Senator John Edwards, D-N.C., Former Senator Mike Gravel, D-Alaska, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, Senator Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Governor Bill Richardson, D-N.M.
Find out how they tackle tough questions on the campaign issues that you care about-- from Iraq to healthcare, from immigration to education. Join us for the first Democratic Presidential Debate of the 2008 cycle and the first Democratic Presidential Forum of the 2008 cycle held in Iowa.
60 Minutes (CBS): Deepwater
The country is less secure and the U.S. Coast Guard is in worse shape now than when it began its $24 billion "Deepwater" refurbishment plan years ago, says a congressman overseeing the maritime force. Steve Kroft reports.
The Age Of Warming
Scott Pelley's report on global warming brings him to the bottom of the world to see the glacier in Antarctica that is the world’s fastest warming place.
Simon Cowell
The acerbic judge on television blockbuster "American Idol" talks to CNN anchor Anderson Cooper about his success, his lack of musical talent and the hapless contestants he sometimes drives to tears. All this and more, Sunday, Aug. 19, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Meet the Press: Karl Rove, Ron Brownstein, Matt Cooper, John Harwood & Kate O'Beirne.
Late Edition (CNN): Iraq hit with the deadliest attack of the war this week – what’s the next step for the U.S.? Senators Bob Casey (D-PA) and Kit Bond (R-MO) weigh in. Plus, Iraqi parliament member Mahmoud Othman speaks out. Join Wolf Sunday, 11a.m. ET.
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Gravel is a breath of fresh air.
Richardson is one who should grow on those not immediately persuaded; he comes across well in person (and I thing on the little screen), as Phil has reported.
Sen Clinton is well dressed. Nice color suit and subtle necklace.
Hil says Dems know how to win: better vision/how we help the middle-class get "there".
When Edwards attacks the Insurance PACS and special interests, George shuts him down.
"...I wish those on this stage who debated and authorized this war asked these questions *before* ..."
~Obama
IMHO the debate questions were asked, have been *present* ever since, and prove the Bush "bus in the ditch" Republicans.
The Republicans pushed this war: not the Democrats.
Now some faction of Independents and doltish citizens allied themselves with the Republican will for war...
See: there was a day when a Rocket ran through here.
There's always more audience than you think. It's a mistake to assume no-one is listening.
Governor Crist appointed a Democrat as head of the Dept. of Children and Family...DCF. But not much has changed. How in the world did this woman with her background get a license to run a group home for elderly and disabled? This was tragic. Bob Butterworth needs to get on the ball..
Florida: 18 residents of boarding home found in windowless rooms, no air conditioning
Dodd is good. I would be happy with Dodd as POTUS.
Haha, Lamont might finish out his term in the Senate, which necessitate the removal of Lieberman from any chairmanship, or more.
It's really hard to argue with people who have no sense of before and after--who exist only in the moment.
When the past is irrelevant and the future is not here, no argument can have traction. If, in addition. responsibility is located elsewhere (God's will), what recourse does one have? That's why it's important to keep belief separate from deed.
Depends on what is is.
The post in reference was but one in a series of provocations, which proved effective. After all, I rule this thread!
I would be happy with Dodd as POTUS
That seems to be a rather common reaction. Now he just has to convince a lot of people that being happy is a worthwhile goal. LOL
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I just thought you were feeling lonely. Still haven't finished my disquisition on the meaning of 'is'
"money...and I know where to get it, and I will take that action"
~Kucinich
Excellent! Youtube, please? ...for posterity. To me, it sounded like the balls to act - to realize the legislation and administration of the ...er. Democratic Party Platform(?)
By a long shot Dennis K. has plans to accomplish all the things that the others give lip service to (of course Gravel is as correct as Dennis, but isn't explaining well his course).
I am very saddened by everyone except Dennis and Gravel on the boyking's war on our troops/grab for Iraqi resources.
Government is supposed to be action--to DO the will of the people.
Paine, I'm sorry to have to disagree with you on Richardson. They all have some gift for gab, otherwise they wouldn't be where they are. That shouldn't be the criteria. Their record and accomplishments, not just claiming something on his resume. His record of cryonism, growing and wasting government, corporate interest tax paid funding over people governing, secrecy and control should be frightful to folks.
Unfortunately, plans are not sufficient. Dennis K would have to be a unitary executive since he apparently is short on persuasive skills.
Human governance
Gravel says that Representative government is broken
Gravel favors The People equiped as law makers
Yes, Monica, I guess he isn't happy with the downturn he's experiencing and using the debates and forums as the reason. When one has to answer questions, or attempt to, the retail politicing that we want, he prefers more of the speech setting.
This is a post from his campaign manager. They sight Obama having had to participate in so many already, of course, so has the other canidates, if they were lucky. Funny, some are trying to get in them to be heard, like Gravel, and then you have the ones who don't want to. Something tells me Governor Richardson won't be far behind after his poor performances, especially the last Human Rights/LOGO Forum. LOL
"Debates and forums going forward
By David Plouffe - Aug 18th, 2007 at 11:06 am EDT
[snip]
Unfortunately, we simply cannot run the kind of campaign we want and need to, engaging with voters in the early states and February 5 states, if our schedule is dictated by dozens of forums and debates. Ultimately, the one group left out of the current schedule is the voters and they are the ones who ask the toughest questions and most deserve to have those questions answered face to face.
Therefore, after this week, we will only be attending the five DNC debates through the sanctioning period of December 10, Univision, and the two Iowa debates previously mentioned. Candidate forums - where candidates appear sequentially will be considered, but we are unlikely to accept many of these. Instead, Barack will spend his time answering questions directly from voters in places like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, and elsewhere. We simply cannot continue to hopscotch from forum to forum and run a campaign true to the bottom up movement for change that propelled Barack into this race.
After the sanctioning period, there will undoubtedly be a large number of debates scheduled in the early states and in February 5 states. We will make decisions on those as we get closer, but will clearly be doing a healthy number of debates after the sanctioning period.
Many friends and terrific organizations are sponsoring or planning to sponsor debates and forums. So this is not an easy decision for us to execute. But it simply won't work to navigate this one by one. We felt we needed to make our approach clear and consistent.
I think this approach will be better for the voters and the campaign."
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community...
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One of the things I am going to be looking for in this selection process is the candidates' ability to evolve through the process. Like Linda's definition of Richardson has obviously evolved from an emotional or gut reaction to specific, measurable, behaviors.
Which is not to say that Linda should be a candidate, but that she's got a characteristic I'm looking for.
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However the majority of those on the stage lack the judgement to see through, and resist, the persuasive powers of vested interests and advisors.
Frankly, i'd rather see Dennis with the current powers the others have unwisely given GWB, than those who are so unwise being trusted to dismantle them.
Linda, no aspirant has found my favor. I like 'em all. I like some things about Richardson. Just think Richardson has a creeper effect on some (like me FYI)}.
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floridagal
Bob Butterworth, who spoke at our last year's Claude Pepper dinner, was handed a huge mess in the DCF by the Jeb people. Every single incident of neglect will never be seen by anyone in charge, that's an impossible job, unless there is local oversight. Again, Jeb changed all that so that there wasn't any oversight either.
Given enough people and money to work with, I am confident Butterworth would do an excellent job, even though it isn't something he has done before. But Crist is not the good guy he is being made out to be. Butterworth will probably never get what he needs. I wonder if he will even stay on a job that is underfunded and undermanned, doomed for failure.
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Ima,
No, your not alone, just reading along with you. Good job! Steph doesn't come on here until for another 1/2 hour so it is hardly 'live" here.
Agree with you about Dodd, he emits a comfort zone as opposed to anxiety from all the others.
28.
Yes, but direct democracy is very inefficient. I, for one, can't wait until things settle down enough so I can attend to other stuff.
I think George S. did a great dis-service trying to start a fight right off the bat and asking the first question in such away as to frame Obama in a negative light.
I'm proud that none took his bait.
We have an excellent field.
Monica Smith
Sun, 08/19/07
10:25 am
The only point i agree with Richardson on is that the office of the President is no place for learning. In my opinion the nomination race is no place to 'evolve'. Either you have the backbone and judgement or you don't, it's too late by now to develope that.
Apparently youthink that the one who learns best to adapt to a campaign will make the best administrator of our great nation.
I disagree strongly. The qualification for the office is sound judgement not in manuvering.
The people get their representation through hearings and over-sight. I do think Dodd and Richardson really get the treat posed by the unitary executive, but I'm convinced that this group fairly represents the breath of the party on all of the issues. Everyone should be able to find a candidate to support in that group.
The Democratic Party won that debate.
31. Monica :) (folks are wiping their brow in relief at this moment)
33. paine, yes. I do appreciate your commentary on the debate, please continue. We out here in the West don't get that debate til this afternoon.
29.
It was this decisiion which led me to suggest that both Obama and Clinton have been putting the cart before the horse. NOW they want to start interacting with voters???
Edwards was here in 2006. Kucinich and Dodd were doing it last winter. (the first time I met Dodd, we had to negotiate icy, unshoveled sidewalks and he was wearing a sweater with a tiny moth hole)
37. Phil, Richardson understands it, because he tries to govern the same way. He even tried to get his hands on the states pension fund to use.
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By a long shot Dennis K. has plans to accomplish all the things that the others give lip service to . . .
The problem with Dennis is he is very short of actually getting anything done that he proposes. Where is his leadership in the House?
I like what he says, most do, but he too is only giving lip service, saying everything we want to hear, offering very little about how to do it except to either "bring them home" or "cancel NAFTA" -- those are not plans.
The Debte was over @the 22 minute mark just past
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Dodd, we had to negotiate icy, unshoveled sidewalks and he was wearing a sweater with a tiny moth hole)
LOL I think that is something we might admire in a candidate, kinda reminiscent of Dean with his ancient JCP suit.
36.
Since change is a constant, judgement has to be able to recognize new information and adjust accordingly. Core values are another matter. Bush Two has none; Cheney has one--power.
42. Oh, geez, sorry. I just poured my 2nd cup o'joe
Good; very good debate by the Dems. They have held together as a fortress, while speaking to the voters, against the slime that is the CM in America. George Steponmyhogalot is but a pawn.
37.
Everyone should be able to find a candidate to support in that group.
Without a doubt, a good slate of candidates. Would be better of course with a Dean and/or a Gore in it though. But that is only useless wishful thinking again.
Deaniac-for sure. Can you imagine given the opportunity with Richardson as the nominee? The right wing wouldl have a FIELD day with him...unless they enjoy his Corporatism so much they would agree not to. Folks better start their digging now. Like checking in to his closets...favorite hang outs, like the El Dorado Hotel, so they aren't surprised so much. We have spent so much time on "hype" and not paying attention to real issues, just when we are getting some real answers, they start pulling away. It's ok, because now the voters are indicating they are tired of this. So much time and dollaars wasted on a beauty pageant.
On Meet The Press
The moderator is wholly unable to meet Rove at the mat. Media personalities have no weight: no compelling reason for the viewer to trust and get behind.
I'll save my response til all have seen it. No one won or lost the debate so little was changed by it. What has changed is that the candidates have crisscrossed Iowa in part because of the debate being here and polls of likely caucus goers in the next few weeks willl start to mean something, which they haven't so far.
David Broder's column today pushing Huckabee in every way possible because of his second place win in Iowa.
He did not include one word however about Huckabee's anti-evolution beliefs. Apparently Iowans didn't know about that.
Can anyone see a president who claims he doesn't believe in evolution, which of course would have to include disbelieving global warming exists and all the other great perks the country would be getting.
Fom HEP:
UPDATE ON CHARLIE!
DONATIONS
The Grapski Defense website is down until Charlie gets out, but contributions to the defense fund can be sent to: Grapski Defense Fund, PO Box 190, Alachua FL 32616. Call Carol at 386-418-3791 for more information.
CHARLIE MOVED TO INFIRMARY!
Charlie has been moved to the jail infirmary, probably due to publicity from the Herald interview. He is bruised and battered but his main concern now is getting out of jail.
Attorney Joe Little will be requesting a bond reduction hearing on Monday, and the State Attorney will probably argue against any reduction of the $60,000 bond that has been set.
On Monday the judge will be asked to release Charlie on his own recognizance. Supporters who wish to help Charlie can call or email State Attorney Bill Cervone and ask that he allow Charlie's immediate release.
The State Attorney knows that Charlie is not a flight risk (believe me, Charlie wants his day in court!) and he also knows that Charlie poses no danger to anyone (there is already a "no contact" order in place that prohibits Charlie from going to City Hall or making any contact with Alachua officials). We're hoping to at least get a reduction of bond down to the $10,000, which means we could get him out with $1000.
State Attorney Bill Cervone
Eighth Judicial Circuit
120 West University Avenue
Gainesville, Florida 32602
352-374-3670
cervonew@SAO8.ORG
JAIL INFORMATION
Please don't deposit money in Charlie's jail account. That is being taken care of here and we will need the funds for the bond and defense. Messages to the jail should be positive and non-confrontational, simply stating your concern for Charlie's health and wellbeing, and letting jail officials know he has friends out here who are concerned. Sheriff Sadie Darnell is not the problem, and she's probably looking into what happened to Charlie.
Alachua County Sheriff's Office - Department of The Jail
3333 N.E. 39th Ave - Gainesville, Florida 32609
Interim Director: Acting Major Tony Canchola
Tel. 352-491-4460
tcanchola@alachuasheriff.org
ASK FLORIDA GOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST TO INVESTIGATE POLICE ABUSE IN ALACHUA (a special prosecutor is needed who will conduct an independent investigation into police misconduct and public corruption in Alachua.)
Governor Charlie Crist
420 E. Jefferson Street
Tallahassee, FL 32301
Tel. 850-222-7920
Fax: 850-907-1267
Grapski Defense Committee | 08.19.07 - 12:45 am
37. I didn't notice that line about everyone should be able to find a candidate in that group, until Joan recopied it.
Why? That's like a false choice being given by anyone that has their own preferences and saying "they're all good and one of them surely would make you happy". If they don't share the same principles supported by their own actions, no. I can't be forced to marry someone another person put a group of people put together on a blind date. Their idea of who I should have is not is not the same of the person having the ideals and values I hold dear.
Joan* In*Florida
Sun, 08/19/07
10:34 am
Are you surprised that an anti-war populist, liberal if you wish, doesn't get support from even Democrats, even when they are in the majority?
... having the 'crowd' not on your hip is sometimes the best indicator of one not being 'as usual'.
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And so just another opportunity for the media to push the so-called top tier candidates they themselves have chosen in their own meaningless polls.
Maybe I'll skip this debate too.
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Linda,
Then perhaps you can find someone in another party to vote for. I doubt if there are going to be any more Dem candidates jumping in the race.
Joan* In*Florida
anti-evolution beliefs. Apparently Iowans didn't know about that.>
That's good; the voter should be aware of exactly who rejects the earth in favor of a faith in the Adam and Eve story.
53, 54 . Monica, TERRIBLE, disgusting, really. So unfair. They keep their pushing.
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Joan* In*Florida
Sun, 08/19/07
10:55 am
Reply to this
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Linda,
Then perhaps you can find someone in another party to vote for.
---->> Thank you. Or maybe we should find candidates that better represent my party.
Maybe I'll skip this debate too.
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Hey, it was a good Debate. Don't think one should miss it, because -especially with that tack- one would rely on the comments of others.
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Donna,
I wrote to Crist several months ago during Charlie's last incarceration. I was immediately rebuffed. Maybe outsiders might get his attention.
I am writing to our only Dem in the cabinet, Alex Sink, and also the FDLE (Florida Department of Law Enforcement) whose job it is among other things is, I believe, to oversee these kinds of police brutality. The ACLU is another possibility.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
P.O. Box 1489
Tallahassee, FL 32302-1489
Phone: 1-850-410-7000
E-Mail: info@fdle.state.fl.us
I may have said that slightly differently; Linda.
The progressive reform agenda has a representative in Dennis Kucinich, but if you find him a flawed candidate you may not have one.
Bill Richardson articulates a believable Out. Now. exit plan that sounds workable for ending the war in Iraq, but if he is flawed in some other way, and you don't like Kucinich then do you settle for Gravel?
There is no Dean or Gore in the field (or Feingold for that matter) but they are representative of the broad strokes of what it means to be a Democrat rather than a Republican.
I really liked Bill Richardson's answer to the farmer's question, but just because I'm a farmer doesn't make me a one issue voter and Dodd had a good an
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By Imn2Paine on Aug 19, 2007 9:04 AMSo powerful: Dean is first.