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Clinton confronts universal health care critic
Senator Clinton appeared at the National Association of Black Journalists conference and seized an opportunity to attack GOP talking points against universal health care. See this New York Times blog post about it:
A Testy Exchange on Health Care
LAS VEGAS – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton just had an awfully testy exchange over universal health care with an audience member here at the National Association of Black Journalists conference – a lively moment that ended with an artful diss from Mrs. Clinton that had the audience hooting.
The audience member – who later identified himself as Kiara Ashanti, a freelance writer and blogger and a Republican – asked Mrs. Clinton why she was “still insisting” on bringing British- and Canada-style “socialized medicine” to the United States, asserting that such forms of universal care would hurt the black community.
“Oh man, I can’t answer that in 30 seconds, that was a string of misrepresentations,” Mrs. Clinton, a Democratic presidential candidate, told the gathering of more than 1,000 black reporters, editors, and other journalists.
“I have never advocated socialized medicine, and I hope all the journalists hear that,” she said. “That has been a right-wing attack on me for 15 years.”
Mr. Ashanti interrupted her with persistent criticism of government-run health care; Mrs. Clinton challenged him at one, asking if he thought Medicare was socialized medicine, and he indicated that he did.
“You are in a small minority of America, because Medicare has literally saved the lives and saved the resources of countless generations of Americans,” she said.
Mrs. Clinton praised the health systems in Canada, Britain, and elsewhere in Europe as having better outcomes and results on some performance measures than the United States. Then she offered to share her statistics with the if he wanted to introduce himself to her staff.
That is, she added, “if you’re interested in being educated instead of being rhetorical.”
It was a snap! moment that garnered Mrs. Clinton her biggest applause and cheers of the 40-minute forum.
Check out video here. Pretty good stuff!
-Sheri Divers
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Hillary is far from advocating "socialized medicine". She hasn't put out any details, but she definitely wants her buddies in the health-insurance industry to keep getting rich off us. I don't expect her to push big pharma very hard either--ditto Obama, and to a lesser extent, Edwards.
As with all the issues, Kucinich is the man on health care. No bullshit, no triangulation, just single payer, period.
Godd firsties, mprov. Saw your post last thread and called out to my husband to ask. We both just checked out the Wiki input on ISAR:
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ISAR Applications
ISAR is utilized in maritime surveillance for the classification of ships and other objects. In these applications the motion of the object due to wave action often plays a greater role than object rotation. For instance a feature which extends far over the surface of a ship such as a mast will provide a high sinusoidal response which is clearly identifiable in a two dimensional image. Images sometimes produce an uncanny similarity to a visual profile with the interesting effect that as the object rocks towards or away from the receiver the alternating doppler returns cause the profile to cycle between upright and inverted. ISAR for maritime surveillance was pioneered by Texas Instruments in collaboration with the Naval Research Laboratory and became an important capability of the P-3 Orion and the S-3B Viking US Navy aircraft.
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His service branch was the USAF and, as a civilian, he worked primarily with USAF aircraft radar.
Well, that should have been *good* ... shucks!
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And John, I hear you! Absolutely!
Well, if you watch the video, be sure you cut away when Hillary's done. Otherwise, you're going to listen to Bush Two.
3. too bad they don't have some screen shots to show you exactly what kind of visual it presents. when you know how to look at it, its almost like a photo.
ok, judy, images:
http://radar-www.nrl.navy.mil/navbar/Res...
Judy wrote:
"As sea and others have noted, however, people who try to plead Kucinich's cause will not help their candidate so long as they tear down either Al or Howard, at least not with many of us here. "
I would support Al in a minute if he ran. He was, however, party to some bad decisions while veep.
Some of it was just following Bill over the cliff, as veeps have to do. The one issue that Clinton left him completely in charge of was "reinventing government", which he botched completely. I suspect he was scammed by federal managers who didn't want to change anything. They blew smoke and he bought it, leaving the top-heavy administratice class firmly entrenched, and if anything, larger.
As a senior scientist with USGS, I was on a panel tasked with identifying positions (not people) that no longer served the agency's mission. We took this assignment very seriously and came up with what we thought would streamline the agency.
Our recommendations were round-filed, and clerical and support staff (as well as some "enemies" of senior management) got the axe. One "green-energy" program (geothermal) was eliminated completely in favor of beefing up oil-and-gas research.
Al came to Reston to praise USGS management for their "re-invention of the agency" and handed out awards to the worst hacks in the USGS.
I heard much the same story from people at EPA, and other Interior agencies.
Thanks for the warning, Monica. Anything but that.
LOL
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We just walked back from a 45 minute fireworks show by the lake to celebrate the Geneva Festival. Our first festival in 1995 was a weekend event; now it has grown to a ten-day extravanganza that brings in visitors from all over the world.
The theme this year was Vivaldi's Four Seasons and the spectacle was designed around the music. There were four themes and two finales. There are usually about 600,000 who come out to watch and we were surrounded by people of all nationalities, speaking all languages, and wearing costumes from around the globe.
It was a very satisfied crowd that departed, especially after the second finale. The organizers turned on Geneva's fountain (le jet d'eau) right at the end so that we could see the majestic plume behind the final frenzy of fireworks. It was truly a sight to behold.
According to the media, the organizers have taken pains to ensure that the fireworks were environmentally friendly: no metals and the remnants would essentially be transformed into mineral salts. Those bits of plastic will be recuperated from the area tomorrow by divers.
I believe that they are probably telling the truth. Around here, it's a direct democracy (which would drive putzCo crazy) and people are very environmentally conscious.
The really sad thing, John, is that I'll bet that some of those hacks look like geniuses in comparison to what putzCo have layered throughout.
In re my Geneva festival post, when I said "our first" I meant the first festival that my husband and I had experienced here. This is actually year 40 for the festival.
every enemy we have for the forseeable future will try to sucker us into sending ground forces in numbers
Osama would love to see us in Pakistan or Iran.
The draft is the worst idea in quite a while, just for that reason,as it would invite repeating the Iraq mistake.
and anyone contemplating war with China is stark raving mad
the problem with new weapon systems is that someone always wants a "live" test
7. Thanks, Mark. I have left the image here for him to see. Right now, he's glued to Eurosports watching tennis. I have learned NOT to come between a man and his tennis. LOL
I can't believe the venom people have ready at the bite for Sen Clinton
(I could care less what political hue)
Sen Clinton deserves more respect than I see from many here.
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Demetrius
can you bang about the notion of a Piss on the GOP bumper sticker
(might as well take advantage of the market -$$$- and create piss on the DNC, DLC, and the various candidates)
Sounded like a lot of hot air to me. She didn't say anything. She just barked at the questioner and strutted around the stage asking for more time.
Mark: my husband says to tell you that he saw his first radar in 1953, in Fortuna, ND. That was during prime *Cold War* days when we were sure that we were going to be invaded from the north.
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During those same days, they also honeycombed north central Montana with nuclear missiles in underground silos (you can see the sites from the road as you drive by although lots of so-called sites are *dummies*). During the 70s, someone had the bright idea that they would *test* the missiles, but no one was sure that they would even make it to the Pacific. We might have ended up bombing Seattle with our own missiles.
In any event, saner heads prevailed and now they remain in their silos, getting older and older, leaking god knows what into the ground water and emitting god knows what else into the environment. There is an inordinately high rate of cancer per capita in the area, IMO. And several of those affected have been my own family members.
What have we wrought upon ourselves?
Hill was like
...ya, bring it on you little wimp. you're a faker. big talker. then she tucked him into bed for the night.
'Nite all ... I just realized that it is past 1 a.m. here. No wonder I'm tired.
And the blasted tennis that my husband is watching is in CA so he'll be watching until late.
Blog on and may the force be with you!
I'll be meeting Hillary this week paine, I'll tell her you have a crush on her.
crushies for Hillary
slapping down a freeper warms my heart also
25. PhilI would not go that far, Phil. You might tell her that she can use the whip more often. Gently is OK for now - save the sever discipline for special moments.
If I get a wireless connection and get Hillary to say hello, keep the profanity to minimum good blog.
Hillary has too pro-business a tilt for a populist like me, but I do see her as an asset in the Senate rather than a liability.
keep the profanity to minimum
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Wow, that is catering to the lowest common denominator. I hope we could muster more class and reflect the respect she offers in her hello. The least we could do.
but I do see her as an asset in the Senate
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Me too. I haven't a favorite Dem at this point. I like them all. If Hill remains in the Senate, it's good.
The same goes for Bill Richardson if I get him to do the same this week.. the blog is fine 90% of the time for showing to a candidate, when I got Dodd to take a look I had to kind of limit it to the last few comments. lol
Packers/Steelers time on the big screen in Wisconsin
that state doesn't even know who is running
bbl
The doctors around here contract with the state government to offer services to the state's Medi-cal program. Medi-cal pays the doctors not the patients. The government doesn't give seniors an allowance. The government pays the doctor with Medi-cal funds. The patience is responsible for whatever the government doesn't pay or the doctor can write it off as charity or just not bill it. Lately a lot of doctors have dropped the Medi-cal program. It's was costing their practices money. It's hard to find a doctor who offers services to Medi-cal patients. Their spots for Medic-cal patients are normally full. People end up going to the emergency room for treatment. Medi-cal will pay most all of an emergency room bill.
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Imn2Paine
We have that CD and the concert DVD. A dear friend in Utah recommend it.
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35. Susan Rowe>I saw that Mark was listening to that album last night, so I found what stream I could.
Wisconsin
Gasbag Galumphsby Art Kumbalek
August 09, 2007
I'm Art Kumbalek and man oh manischewitz what a world, ain'a? So listen, it's another week where I'm not able to pinch off a slam-bang essay for your perusal platter on account I'm scheduled to rendezvous with my presidential campaign brain trust to figure out a way I can score some time on the TV talk shows, so as to spread my message and lay some heavy pipe in the exposure department, or something like that.
Problem is the Uptowner tavern isn't open yet, so I figure to swing by my favorite George Webb open-24-hours restaurant where a guy like me can get a jump-start on girding his loins in preparation for the day's daily shit-storm to follow. Hey, come along if you want but you leave the tip, what the fock; so let's get going.
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Imn2Paine
The DVD is good.
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Here's our favorie movie on DVD as of lately.
Patch Adams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQdKRC2D...
Gesundheit! Institute: http://patchadams.org/home.htm
judyfordean,
I think some comments may have been attributed to me that were made by someone else, seems a mixup of no's and posts.
Anyway, for clarification, Kucinich is not my candidate, at least for now. Some here are waiting for Gore. I am waiting for Howard Dean. If that doesn't happen, Gore would be acceptable because he would probably be "electable". There's that word again. If neither happens, I would probably support Kucinich. The reasons for not doing so under those conditions, I would consider not to be in my interest.
But let me just say that if Howard is not the candidate, my interest in the whole thing is minimal.
The Doppler Effect
The Frequency Shift and the Expanding Universe
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Indy Steve
Sat, 08/11/07
4:08 pm
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FRED from OR
Sat, 08/11/07
3:54 pm
Uh, Fred, all but two Rethugs voted for this Bill and it was why it passed. 41 House Dems voted for it, but the Dems we respect were all against it. Of course, we recognize that it NEVER could have come to a vote if Pelosi and Reid had exercised their power.
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That is not information from unbiased experts on the balance of security, technology and rights.
People have different reasons for voting or not voting on bills, often frivolous. I like to see the facts from the experts, before I badmouth my own party. This is very sophisticated subject of a balance, Constitutionally, technically, and for security reasons. Votes are often made symbolically, especially if such voters already can predict the outcome.
Assumptions is the mother of all mistakes. It is best to get the facts from those who have the expertise, before one makes a judgement.
I don't defend or condemn this bill, but just need to see the facts and the critical discussions before I say if it is a good or bad law. The knee jerk responses of Republican voting for anything like this, and Democrats voting against anything like this bill, without doing the research, is what is ruining this country.
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Advocating universal health care and making it happen are two different things. Biden is for universal care, but as Biden pointed out on Charlie Rose, you are up against a $2trillion dollar tranfer of wealth, and many people in the insurance industry will be dislocated or relocated. They are not going to let it happen without a fight or without at least some kind of system that still allows them to compete with such a system.
Biden thinks he has the ability to do this. Being for or against UHC is not the big enchilada, it is whether you can pull it off.
Ok, what's going on? On the last thread, most of this post was covered by a gray square, obliterating the words. Did anybody see that? Now it's gone. I need to know if my new computer is messed up.
Monica wrote"
"Fear has to be overcome by an act of will."
With all due respect, Monica, this won't and can't work. The opposite of fear is not courage as most think. The opposite of fear is faith - not necessarily faith in some god or other, tho that works too depending on one's idea of god, but faith in the universal principle that things work out. Åcceptance of what is NOW, this moment, is the key.
I think it was Kinsey (not the sex guy) who wrote the 3 rules for happiness.
1. Ask for what you want but don't expect to get it.
2. Accept what it..............for NOW
3. Turn up your love. (which can translate into many things, including political action)
This works. Dennis is right to speak of love while other speak incessantly of war and enemies. Tho I'm not sure Dennis quite knows what love whereof he speaks.
Gore for President
rushed.....bbl
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I can't believe the venom people have ready at the bite for Sen Clinton
That's because a lot of people believed in her and she's let them down more than once.
Sen Clinton deserves more respect than I see from many here.
She's gets the respect she's earned.
Hillary has too pro-business a tilt for a populist like me, but I do see her as an asset in the Senate rather than a liability.
Except when she's voting to invade other countries?
I had a fellow in cleaning our chimney yesterday. His son is returning from Iraq today. He had an involuntary extend and has been there for 18 months (so much for our all-volunteer military). Anyway this nice fellow said he just wished for one day that the war cheerleaders would feel the pain and anguish that he and his wife have felt every day for the last 18 months - never knowing if their beloved son would be hurt or killed. Heart wrenching.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/12/2002733.htm
Voting closes in Sierra LeonePosted 1 hour 36 minutes ago
Sierra Leone has voted in presidential and parliamentary elections, seen as a test of whether the west African nation has fully emerged from its decade-long civil war.
Counting started immediately after polling stations closed, but police had to fire tear gas to disperse scores of youths who tried to disrupt the process at a centre, in the east of Freetown.
Balloting in many cases started off chaotically, marred by delayed delivery of polling materials.
Poor security and rain-soaked roads caused problems.
But National Elections Commission (NEC) spokeswoman Christiana Thorpe said voting progressed well and turnout was high.
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Partial results were to be published as soon as tallying ended and complete preliminary results were expected by the end of next week.
Some 2.6 million voters were eligible to pick a new president and law makers, six years after the end of the Sierra Leone's brutal civil conflict.
Long queues of voters snaked on muddy grounds outside the country's 6,171 polling stations,
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Sitka
If you gotta go, it's better to go laughing
Perhaps it would have served Mrs. Clinton better if she a REFUSED to answer the questioner. In my opinion, the question didn't qualify for decent answer.
a s/b had
"laughter is the best medicine"
except when you die of it
That's not even funny.
You're bombing with the "one liners" haha tonight
I have some friends who were missionaries in Sierra Leone. The people there are very poor. There are locks on the trash containers and people with homes live behind tall chain link fences.
Phil, you have a point (you're post in the previous thread).
IMO it's something that the Obama campaign needs to work on even harder than it's currently doing -- attracting lower income, less-educated core dem voters:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20226452/site/newsweek/?from=rss
He charms elites. But how does Obama woo a must-have: 'downscale Dems'?
By Andrew Romano
Newsweek
Aug. 20-27, 2007 issue
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For the past 40 years, Democratic nominating contests have pitted "wine track" candidates (backed by young, well-off, college-educated elites) against "beer track" opponents (who cultivate a less-educated coalition of minorities and blue-collar workers). The 2008 contest is no exception. According to the latest Cook Political Report survey, Hillary Clinton polls 12 points higher among voters who haven't graduated from college than those who have; Obama's numbers are reversed. His problem: only 34 percent of likely Democratic primary voters have college degrees. "If you don't develop a solid base among downscale Dems, it's very hard to get the nomination," says demographer Ruy Teixeira ... he could end up the latest in a long line of brainy, reformist also-rans like Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas and Bill Bradley.
Which is exactly what Clinton wants ... she is hardly the natural choice for socially conservative, blue-collar Democrats. But because "they're less critical and less informed than upscale voters, they're more inclined to go with the mainstream candidate, at least early on," says Teixeira. Clinton is working hard to solidify her head start among the beer-track types who powered her husband's "Comeback Kid" performance in the 1992 New Hampshire primary (and eventually won him the White House). Consider her oft-repeated line about being "born into a middle class family in the middle of America in the middle of the last century." "It's a class appeal," says Penn's Kathleen Hall Jamieson, author of "Packaging the Presidency." "It's a move away from First Lady, from Ivy League graduate."
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Obama's team is undeterred. By most accounts, its candidate is better positioned than his predecessors to overcome the wine-track curse. "He started his career on the South Side of Chicago," says spokeswoman Candice Tolliver. "No one needs to prime him." His ace in the hole? Race. Even though polls show that blacks still have doubts about Obama, he weathered similar skepticism in the 2004 Illinois Senate primary before winning nearly all of their votes. "He soared with elites initially," says Mark Blumenthal, who polled for Obama's chief rival. "But it took until the last week of the campaign for blacks to decide." If they break his way again, says Blumenthal, Obama could ride a new black-upscale majority to the nomination. For early indicators, staffers are watching low-income, largely black South Carolina where, from April 1 to June 30, the campaign spent $480,000—four times Clinton's investment—to hire staff, stage rallies, organize house meetings and place ads on gospel and R&B radio. The result: an electorate that's more familiar with Obama—and polls that show a dead heat. "We have to do more to reach low-income voters," says South Carolina spokesman Kevin Griffis. But strong numbers heading into the Jan. 29 primary would bode well for Obama's beer-track appeal
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I dreamed a dream from les miserable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSB4Jxcf...
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By mprov on Aug 11, 2007 6:01 PM EDToh ya, howard's remaining first!!!