Dean is first.  Happy belated birthday, Linda.

ANOTHER MESSENGER TO SHOOT, TOM

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=297&Itemid=44

The general problem facing Democratic party leaders can be summed up this way.

How do we get elected one more time without giving Democratic voters any of what they want? How do we get elected without ending the war and the policies which led to it, without impeaching Cheney and Bush, without delivering health care? How do we run a woman presidential candidate who's not quite pro-choice, or a black one who's not really not all that committed to addressing issues like the nation's policies of black mass Incarceration?  

Unfortunately, they seem to have it all figured it out.

After more than five years of lies and a million dead Iraqis, most Americans are ready to see the troops brought home.  But Democratic House and Senate leaders, along with Democratic presidential candidates, except Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, have cynically decided to let the war continue through the rest of George Bush's term in office, to give them something to shadowbox with, proposing ineffectual time lines, irrelevant benchmarks and gimmicks like "more rest for the troops". 

Corporate media obligingly depict this as real, if ineffectual opposition to the war in Iraq, while continuing to promote the so-called "war on terror" that will lead to more Iraqs in Africa, Latin America and elsewhere.

Though Democratic voters overwhelmingly favor impeachment of Cheney and Bush, as do a majority of Americans, party leaders want no part of this either.  Even Detroit's John Conyers, who sponsored impeachment bills last year when he was in the minority, and is now chair of the powerful House Judiciary Committee, refuses to do so this year, he reaffirmed to more than 300 disappointed citizens at his office on Monday.  Shortly after that announcement, 30 of them, including Rev. Lennox Yearwood were arrested on the spot.

The focus-group tested phrase "universal health care" is also once again on the lips of every Democratic presidential candidate because they know this is what the vast majority of the American people want.  Still, with the sole exception of Dennis Kucinich, a co-sponsor of the Medicare-For-All bill in the House, not a single Democratic candidate for president is willing to take on the parasitic private health insurance industry, which sucks up twenty to thirty cents of every American health care dollar in advertising, billing and profits.   

With Democratic leaders and corporate media omitting all discussion of Medicare-For-All or any form of single payer health care, private insurance companies can confidently switch a portion of their generous campaign donations from Republicans to Democrats without fear that anything will change.

In the same spirit, candidate presidential candidate Barack Obama's commercials on South Carolina black radio begin with the drive-by observation that there are more young black men in prison than in college before abruptly changing the subject, leaving trusting, and hopeful souls to imagine that electing him will somehow address that issue.  After all, as Obama supporter Oprah Winfrey has assured us, wishful thinking really does make it so.

This is the substance of mainstream political discussion in the Democratic party.  Deceit, denial, omission, and wishful thinking.  So far, it's working.  Corporations who till recently only donated to Republicans candidates are including Democrats in their portfolios.  Front runners Clinton and Obama are raising more cash than any Republicans this year, most of it from the very wealthy.  So you see that the Democratic Party, and democracy really do work.  Never mind what Democratic voters want.

Kind of an interesting analysis of the Biden-Gelb soft partition proposal in the NYT by Helene Cooper, suggesting Biden would be a natural candidate for Secretary of State in the next cabinet.  Here are excerpts:

"Is Joe Biden auditioning to be the next secretary of state?

"For the record, he says no.

"What he does have, that the other Democratic candidates don’t, is a coherent proposal for dealing with the debacle in Iraq that is increasingly picking up steam. Foreign policy analysts, Capitol Hill politicians and even officials in the Bush administration have started sounding positive notes.

"'The truth is, we could end up close to the Biden-Gelb proposal,' a senior administration official said, referring to the partition plan that Mr. Biden, along with Leslie Gelb, the former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, presented more than a year ago in an Op-Ed article in The New York Times.

" . . . .

"Foreign policy analysts [ ] pointed out that breaking up Iraq could cause bloodletting (as if that isn’t happening now) in Iraq’s urban areas. While Sunnis predominate in the western part of the country, Kurds in the north, and Shiites in the south, Iraq’s cities are not as homogeneous. Baghdad, Kirkuk and Mosul don’t have clear geographical lines separating the main groups.

"Or at least they didn’t. The reality is, Iraq’s cities have become far more homogeneous recently as terrified residents have fled areas where their ethnic group doesn’t predominate. The neighborhoods around the edges of Baghdad have already experienced a lot of ethnic cleansing."

" . . . .

"Mr. Biden, who said he believed that one way or the other, the United States would find itself in the role of trying to mediate a soft partition, recently went up to the United Nations in New York to chat about his idea with officials from the permanent members of the Security Council, and to try to enlist the help of the United Nations. He said he got a good response.

"'One said to me, "What took you guys so long?"' Mr. Biden said. 'We’re going to get there either by our action or by our inaction; what we need to do is to manage this transition.'

"Hmmm. Coming up with a proposal on American foreign policy? Going up to the United Nations to try to sell it? Trying to get America’s allies on board? If this president thing doesn’t work out, that wouldn’t be bad experience for someone who did want to become secretary of state."

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The Democratic field of presidential candidates are all attempting to make the right noises in South Carolina, which is effectively the "Black primary" in the race. But that's all it is: noise. While Republicans kiss up to one of the most racist white electorates in the country (and that's saying a lot), Democrats make symbolic gestures that do not address the core issues of race-based poverty, redlining, horrific education for Black children, and mass incarceration. Barack Obama is no better than the others in the "top tier" - maybe worse, because he pretends to be "one of us" while "providing cover for those who blame the victims or prod the victims to blame themselves." Hillary Clinton gets over with Black voters on the ridiculous canard that her husband was "the first Black president." The "Black primary" is shaping up as a sham.

Illinois Senator Barack Obama, touted by Time magazine for having the courage to tell "inconvenient truths," used one of the oldest racial stereotypes in a recent speech to black South Carolina state legislators.  "In Chicago, sometimes when I talk to the black chambers of commerce," he said,  "I say, 'You know what would be a good economic development plan for our community would be if we make sure folks weren't throwing their garbage out of their cars.'"  Translation; black people are dirty and lazy.

Obama's defenders claim he is saying aloud what blacks say privately.   But presidential candidates aren't campaigning for a place in the conversation on the neighborhood corner or in the cut. Those same black state legislators whom Obama addressed had earlier released data showing that only 3 out of 10 black males and 4 out of 10 black females graduate from the public high schools in South Carolina; that 85 percent of youth prisoners and 70 percent of adult prisoners are black, and many did not have a high school diploma and were unemployed before their arrest and incarceration.

At a recent speech in Hampton, Virginia, Obama mentioned the "simmering discontent" in the black community.  He got that one right.  Even with more black officials than at any time in history - most of them Democrats - many African Americans feel that things have been moving in the wrong direction for a while now. From high infant mortality rates to low life spans, the black misery index is acute.  The effect of the huge number of black citizens under the direct control of the state through the criminal justice system, so much so it has led to diminished voting rights and participation, cannot be overstated. African Americans have gone from a "freedom movement" to the edge of no longer being free.  And there is Obama, providing cover for those who blame the victims or prodding the victims to blame themselves.  There is Hillary, promising a restoration, the flimflam of Clintonism as the blacks' best friend.

Alberto Gonzales' Theme Song :

" Nothin' could be finer

than to be a data miner . . . .

in the Whiiiiiiiiiiiite House.

Nothin' could be sweeter

than an inquisition leader

in the Whiiiiiiiiiiiite House."

Hi John.  Speaking of messengers, I'd like to mention that highlighting the text of an author's article you reproduce here, while leading the reader's eye towards the criticism of disfavored candidates like Obama and Biden, doesn't excise the criticism of the editor's preferred candidates, like Edwards, from the same article. 

leading the reader's eye towards the criticism of disfavored candidates like Obama and Biden, doesn't excise the criticism of the editor's preferred candidates, like Edwards, from the same article.   

That's true Tom, but there's not a lot of hype on the blog for Edwards, as compared to all the blather about Obama and Biden

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Michael Ellis
Sun, 07/29/07
8:34 am

Thats been tried in Palestine since 1948................didnt work, hasnt worked.........and will never work......................by all indications anyways.

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Bosnia is a much better analogy.

To compare the present situation is Iraq to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict of post-war holocaust survivors immigrating to Zionist populations immigrating and encroaching on the land of the indigenous natives of Palestine and claiming the land to be theirs, you are stretching it a bit - to say the least.

The proposed "partition" (if you want to call it that) in Iraq itself is very different than what was proposed in 1947 (not 1948) - where we were talking about two distinct countries.  The Iraqi Proposal, referred to as Biden-Gelb, is an attempt to salvage a national government by brokering more local autonomy to the main areas  of ethnic concentration.

This is a pattern that is being followed in the last 100 years.  That of empires breaking down to local rule.  The Ottoman, and the Solviet Union, and also post-colonial period of Britain and France.

Remnants still remain, but with great local and regional self-rule.

Actually, the American colonies at the time of the revolution would be a better analogy. 

John wrote "but there's not a lot of hype on the blog for Edwards, as compared to all the blather about Obama and Biden."

It may be personal opinion, only, but I'm going to say you're wrong about that.

talking idiots on tv...................turn em all off............go out and exercise, water your garden, call your Mom...........sit out on the porch with a cappucino............ignore them, make your own decisions and opinions on your own intuition.......................

  Translation; black people are dirty and lazy.

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Or perhaps Obama has acquired the sentiment of middle-class and upper-middle class African Americans who have achieved the economic stature necessary to pay their ticket out of the poor community they grew up in.

The same thing - unfortunately - happens all too often in other ethnic communities . . . . . including white communities. Neighborhood pride is replaced by pride in ones newly-achieved personal  economic status. Do you think Pat Buchanan would socialize with scruffy Irish immigrants newly arrived in Boston - once he bit into a bigger slice of the American pie ?

It's a difficult task - but in order to achieve integration and fairness in our schools and communities, we need to re-integrate people based on economic criteria - not racial criteria.

FRED from OR
Sun, 07/29/07
10:00 am

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As you are aware Fred...........the West, in particular Europe and the US have been scewing things up in that region for over 100 years................both have 0 credibility amonsgt the masses, more so the US though.................any American plan will be mistrusted, despised and doom to failure.....................

When are they gonna build a theme park in Iraq? Thats a good start.............

Mmmmm, mmmmm, thanks for sharing the yummy cake Linda. Hope you had a great bday. Sis and I went out for a bit last night to toast to Rene.

Today is the day to say...

Happy Birthday to IndySteve :-)

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Mike wrote "any American plan will be mistrusted, despised and doom to failure."

The Cooper article I excerpted above indicates that for all its problems, which are discussed, the Biden-Gelb plan is a model that's gained currency in the international community of the United Nations.  The irony, of course, is that the American invasion, conducted with the authorization of Congress, including Senator Biden, has resulted in such dislocation by people fleeing threats and violence, that neighborhoods and geographic regions of Iraq are slowly becoming more and more homogeneous, which would help to implement such a plan.

Does anybody remember the game backgammon for the 80s?  Ive taken it up again, play it on line against a woman computer..............she has very snide remarks and taunts alot............but at least she admits defeat...................Im beating her too often as of late.............if anyones interested, we can play against each other on line..............let me know...............heres the web site.....................

She can be nasty, but has  a sense of humour.................

www.nabiscoworld.com/Games/game_large.aspx?gameid=10036 - 11k -

Tom Bearse
Sun, 07/29/07
10:12 am
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The UN is NOT the native peoples.......................they goofed it up in 1948 as well.................

Mike wrote "The UN is NOT the native peoples."

Well, that wasn't my suggestion.  I was just commenting on your description of an "American plan," since the plan's origins may not be exclusive to the U.S.  

12.

For the record, there are ALMOST NO BLACK PEOPLE in New Hampshire (1-2% I think) and yet our roadsides are littered with trash on a daily basis.  Neither race nor socio-economic standing has anything to do with whether or not people are trashy.  If there's no trash in up-scale neighborhoods, it's either because they hire someone to clean it up or they have enough leisure time to take a daily stroll and pick up the stuff themselves.

Every community has anti-litter laws, but law enforcement is not interested in such stuff.  In order for such ordinances to be enforced an officer has to witness the infraction--not likely when they're racing like a bat out of hell themselves, going who knows where.

You don't really want to read my rant about why the neighborhoods where poor people live don't get the same level of service as everyone else. 

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Michael Ellis
Sun, 07/29/07
10:07 am

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No.  Oil refineries are presently in vogue.

We are talking about a proper exit strategy - no analogy is perfect, but if we need a political solution, this is the best one I can think of.  The idea of a strong central government was imposed of Britain, by Britain, for Britain.  Then Saddam Hussein maintained it with an Iron hand.  "Democracy" and maintaining that structure are not compatible.  Finally, Bush and the Neocons thought all they had to do was give these people a voting booth and everybody would love each other. 

  These people are not ready to share power, and the majority will simply suppress the minority, who see themselves as different as black and white.  Then there are the Kurds who have already separated.  Actually, they have already taken the first step of such a plan.

Iraqis may be able to co-exist with a national identity for a common defense and economic reasons, but to force them to live together with one dominating the other is insanity.

To formalize a Sunni indigenous region, and to do it with international help and recognition would stabilize the region.

Morning David ;-) long time no see.

19. 'xactly. Trashy behavior know no socio-economic bounds, same goes for classy behavior.

12. 'Neighborhood pride is replaced by pride in ones newly-achieved personal economic status.'
~ ~ it's always amazed me the things people assume about one by their zipcode.

Mike wrote "The UN is NOT the native peoples."

Well, that wasn't my suggestion.  I was just commenting on your description of an "American plan," since the plan's origins may not be exclusive to the U.S.

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Good point.  But also there is a distinction between the Bush Plan and the American plan.  If we don't make that distinction, we are missing a big chunk of the picture.

If we don't make that distinction the Bush mistake will represent all Americans for the history books.

Iraq beats saudi Arabia in soccer in the Asia Cup...............my life will never be the same............

Only problem is, some one forgot to tell both teams that it was the ASIA Cup.................they musta took the wrong flight.............................

Well, well, well...

Now we see exactly why there was a civil war here in the U.S.
As liberal, progressive or moderate our very own bloggers claim to be, far too many are in favor of segregation. Be it based on religion or ethnicity you are in favor of seperating folks for their own good.
How is that different from the policies of the South for which they were so criticized and attacked militarily?
Shame on all of you!!
The Iraqi are doing what is presently necessary to just stay alive when faced with radical extremes on both sides. Be it leaving the country or relocating to enclaves of their own kind.

But what do you make of the seeming togetherness over their soccer teams success?
What if surviving the assualt on their natural resources by the satanic Bush administration is just as uniting, or more so, than the soccer victories?

We will be balmed for any all out civil war, backed overtly by regional nations, if we lead any such segregation.

You guys seem to be parroting George Wallace... that puts you squarely in there with the right-wing fundamentalist who found a home in the RePuklican Party.

IMHO

Well, I just went shopping.  Sorry, almost feel like a traitor.  But, I need some new garment storage bags for the closets to keep out the moths and our paper lamp shades are falling apart.  Some things do wear out.  It was nice to do it on the computer--no gas wasted. 

I was sorry to discover that one of my favorite catalogues is no more Hold Everything seems to be recently defunct.  They send you to bed and bath, but they don't have the right stuff. 

We will be blamed for any all out civil war, backed overtly by regional nations, if we lead any such segregation.

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Russ Feingold was on Faux Gnews this morning following the completely self-absorbed Gnewt Gingregrinch. I'll not give the later any credit for anything, he is a major scab on our history, even if outdone by his successors.

The Faux ambush master really tried to wrongly prestate positions, turn answers around, and accuse the majority on Congress of inaction... but Russ was not phased. Good for him, why isn't he in the running for President?

I have stolen Thankful's cake recipe for IndySteve's birthday.  Funny, it wasn't in the Dean Cookbook...

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY INDYSTEVE!!

I have to say something about litter, which every neighborhood has some of probably. When I was walking down the highway to feed the cows I saw two new Busch beer cans on the shoulder and made a note to self to pick them up when I was headed the other direction  not the cowyard. Well, poof they were gone at 5:30 this Sunday morning with fresh car tracks in the dew. We have a bottle bill, and people will pull over and pick up cans for the price of the deposit.

Eleven states have bottle bills, y'all should pass one.

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Some people, especially those who segregate themselves for whatever reason, ought to be ignored.

The civil war in Iraq has been manufactured by the special forces who continued a pattern of destabilization they followed during the reign on Saddam Hussein, based on the mistaken assumption that setting communities against each other by attacking one and blaming the other will force Iraqis to turn to the occupying force for "protection."  In addition, efforts to antagonize one community against another were facilitated by sending people to be trained as police/spies and then, when they returned from Jordan, having them rat out their neighbors as insurgents.  And it was all done because the Americans weren't welcome to build bases and invited to stay for a long-long time.

The pattern is not very different from the mafia wanting to set up operations in a new neighborhood.  If the residents object, they'll be picked off until only the compliant are left.

Our military is being used as the enforcer of a gigantic criminal enterprise.  some of it under the color of law, the U.N. unfortunate complicity with a bunch of lies. 

Biden is hovering between 0 and 1 per cent here deaniac, don't worry about Iowans favoring segregation.

If he would get over trying to force an American solution on the Iraqi's he might well shoot up in the polls.

don't know who or which round table, but someone was already spinning Hillary getting beat by Edwards in Iowa saying it was a good thing because that would mean he would blunt Obama for the next contests.

if Edwards wins it won't be because some fix is in to have clintonistas secretly supporting him

If we don't make that distinction the Bush mistake will represent all Americans for the history books.

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Re-election already did that because Kerry didn't make the distinction.

One of the first subject covered by Senator Feingold was the 'surge'.
He said, in contrast to the continual propoganda by the traitorous chickenhawks(and their 'uncle tom' military officers), that he sees no evidence the surge is working. He should know he is on the U.S. Senate Committees of Judiciary, Foreign Relations, Budget and Intelligence. He sighted all the hyping and misinformation of the above mentioned as to why he'll not believe automatically any report of Gen. Petraeus in Sept.

"The truth is this is draining American strength to the tune of 12 billion dollars per month.", which is a very conservative number in my opinion, that's if you put no value on the ongoing costs of the wounded - or the life of our fallen.

Democrats already have an ownership stake in the war. That is why every week that passes without them doing something costs them in the polls.

Sickeningly true. That's why changing the Democratic Party should be, must be, the first priority.

I sometimes despair at the number who still don't get it. 

Good morning All,

Happy Birthday IndySteve. May you have a wonderful day!

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Yes, but, it turns out that even in states with returnable bottles only about 20% of the containers are covered.  The new blight on the landscape, the plain water bottles, aren't made of the right stuff and nobody wants them back.  Then there's the waxed paper containers and the cups and bags distributed by a place like Burger King.  Never mind used diapers, car parts, oil cans, and whole plastic bags full of trash.  Many communities have gone to private trash collection or pay per bag, as a result of which there's even more incentive to get rid of stuff before you get home.

We set up government to deal with stuff we don't want and that includes trash.

Our house is assessed $10,000 a year in property tax.  The only service we regularly get from the town is the snow plowed and the garbage picked up and our Town Manager has been trying like the dickens to get rid of the latter responsibility because he doesn't like it.

Somebody ought to start making clear to people who train for a career in public administration that they need to be keen about dealing with the things people don't want.  That means they have to be people who take satisfaction in a job well done and aren't looking to be patted on the back a lot.  When the things people don't want are properly taken care of, they don't notice them.  Duh.  It's only when they're not properly managed that they notice and complain.  So, somebody who's going into that line of endeavor should not be keen on getting plaudits.

Well, I feel a little priveleged that some folks gave me the inside skinny lastnight. But I'm not too sure that makes things any better.

It seems folks who are supporting a Richardson presidency are doing so for other reasons than he would be good. They want him out of our state. He's done too much bad and they want him gone and especially because they don't see a candidate that is really speaking to issues, they might as well kill 2 birds with one stone-so to speak.

One young man I was speaking with said he thinks this election will be the lowest turn out. All these candidates are the same. There is real no choice. Funny, I see the same thing, but I can't in good conscience wish that on our country, just as I can't the others. And this one young man is VERY active, politically speaking.

Sen. Feingold followed by saying that it will be 'virtually impossible for him (Gen. Patreaus) to give the 'rosey picture' report the bile spewing interveiwer poffered.

Then followed the discussion on AG Alberto Gonzoales, with the spin tact of 'after much investigation, you can't sight anything illegal done by the AG'.
To which Russ Feingold correctly pointed out that because of the illegal non-compliance with Congressional requests for facts, the facts haven't been seen. "How can you investigate if you don't have the facts?"
The Faux idiot just sat like a doe in headlights...
THEN made this telling statement, "We (Fox News) asked the administration and Republicans to come on and defend Roberto Gonzales - we had no takers."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah... ROFLMAO!!!

I can't bring myself to watch Faux.

It's a tough (self)assignment, but someone has to.
I also (erased 'stalk, insert) 'observe closely' the DLC traitors in GA and TN.

Happy Birthday IndySteve. May you have a wonderful day!

Linda*in*SFNM
Sun, 07/29/07
11:09 am

Thanks, Linda. How did you remember???? And I will have a good birthday. Weather has cleared, no humidity, 82 degrees. Will be down on our beach dipping toes in the lake. Anyone want to come?

 BTW, from now on I am officially counting backward from the half-century mark...!

It seems folks who are supporting a Richardson presidency are doing so for other reasons than he would be good.

He's just a DLCer blocking for Hillary by running to the left of her -- divide and conquer.

One young man I was speaking with said he thinks this election will be the lowest turn out. All these candidates are the same. There is real no choice.

Low turnout will ensure Hillary wins in a landslide. But there actually are choices in Kucinich and Gravel if people who can't stomach the others don't fall for the "electable" canard.

I can't bring myself to watch Faux. 

I took it off of my remote years ago. 

Linda*in*SFNM
Sun, 07/29/07
11:18 am

Wow, thanks a lot, NM! Don't give us someone you don't want.

Have to say that others, especially Edwards, are discussing issues in depth. And I don't see them as all alike. From Kucinich and Edwards to Biden, it's a pretty broad field for Democrats!

Will Nader run again?!!

BTW Tim Russert's show was pretty much a waste, with a panel of know-it-alls. AND the exclusive with 'the President's bipartisan Commission On Care For America's Wounded Warriors' was days behind the NewsHour on PBS.

Face the Nation had Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), as advertised, but i was sorely disappionted. Except that Sen. Leahy said with much assurance that Gonzo had lied, giving him one week to correct his testimony. (Sen. Leahy of course can't sight 'secret' testimony/documents to back his assertion) BUT HE SHOULD JOIN THE CALL FOR THE AG'S IMPEACHMENT.

again, IMHO

Thankful2Thankful4Dean
Sun, 07/29/07
10:10 am

Thanks, Laurie. You always remember!! That's what makes the blog a community....wish for more. And come back often. We need your humanizing presence!

Mmmmm.....cake was delish, too! Actually, my wife and daughter are making my favorite today. Cheesecake with fresh strawberries!

BTW Tim Russert's show was pretty much a waste, with a panel of know-it-alls.

All they know is the same lie. 

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DLC... that is, traitors to our country, and especially the good of the people... given that they are hardly Democrats in any sense that they listen to the common folk. Harold Ford JR. said as much in a resent call in to the local talk radio. He promised that the upcoming gala in TN by the DLC will not have mere folk, the only invites will be the 'movers and get-it-done' adherents to corporate largess.

And, very very sadly, the Chair of the Hamilton Co. Democratic Party, one John Bailes(former Dean groupy, in the 'finger up to the wind' ilk, i guess) apparently is invited. He is quite proud to hitch his wagon to these traitors, extremely sadly for progressive candidates in the upcoming primaries. His predecessor, and sage i guess, went with the bluedogs at every oppurtunity.

Our work here is just begun... but i'm game.

donna in evanston
Sun, 07/29/07
10:50 am

Hello, Donna! Great to "see" you on the blog again. Hope we'll meet in person sometime!

34. I get it, Sitka, which is why I'm an Indy right now.
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Have fun dipping your toes, Indy Steve. Happiest of birthdays to you.

Bye all - gotta busy day.

Will Nader run again?!!

If the Democratic nominee doesn't doesn't represent the overwhelming majority of Democrats, he should.

gotta run

Many more Indy!!

Love ya'll, mean it!!

Gore/Dean ... Gore/Feingold ... Gore/Boxer

Phil Specht
Sun, 07/29/07
11:02 am

yeah, they sure think Clinton and her minions can plot everything....Edwards, if he wins Iowa, will do so on his own because he is taking the stands on solving the problems we face. I love how they (the pundits on the shows) act as if everything is coordinated by Clinton and McCauliffe.

I think Edwards is positioned just about right. Let Clinton and Obama go after each other while Edwards works the ground.

Deaniac in GA
Sun, 07/29/07
11:33 am

I agree...the politcial pundits with their know-it-all conventional wisdom have been wrong so many times, it's amazing anyone still listens to them. I don't know if I can stomach six more months of the drivel. Cokie Roberts was in typical form today, spouting CW BS as usual.

I think Edwards is positioned just about right. Let Clinton and Obama go after each other while Edwards works the ground.

By that formula for success, whoever is in last place has the best shot.