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Written by: Sheri Divers on Jul 8, 2007 9:00 AM EDT

This Week (ABC): Our EXCLUSIVE headliner is Rep. John Conyers, Jr., D-Mich. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee discussesf his committee's hearing next week on President Bush's grant of clemency for Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Next, we continue our award-winning "On the Trail" series with two presidential hopefuls, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, and former Sen. Mike Gravel, D-Alaska.

Roundtable: Newsweek's Fareed Zakaria, The Nation's Katrina vanden Heuvel, and National Review's Rich Lowry debate the week's politics. Plus, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof talks about how a simple contest he sponsors each year brings new eyes and a fresh perspective to reporting from Africa.

Face the Nation (CBS): Topics - Scooter Libby, White House Subpoenas & Politics. Guests:Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT), David Yepsen of
The Des Moines Register, Vaughn Verver of CBSNews.com and Jeanne Cummings of
Politico.com.

Meet the Press (NBC): Sen. Chuck Hagel, David Brooks, Anne Kornblut, Todd Purdum, and Eugene Robinson.

Late Edition (CNN): With some top Republican Senators calling for a change in strategy, what does this mean for Iraq? We'll talk to Republican Sen. Richard Lugar (R–IN) and Iraq's National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie. Plus, Senate Judiciary Committee leaders Sen. Partick Leahy (D–VT) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R–PA).

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 9:00 AM EDT

Howard Dean is first.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 8, 2007 9:01 AM EDT

Jim and Howard are first Deans

Gravel will be on Step on my hogalot's Show.

...comes on sometime after 15 minute mark.

step on hog is an antiDem 

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 9:01 AM EDT

Hagel on MTP and now Ron Paul on This Week are blasting the war better than our leadership does.

Gravel is up too.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 8, 2007 9:04 AM EDT

HQ: fix the friggin' timestamp, please.

:19

Step on hog tells Ron Paul that he hasn't got a chance.

Gravel at :19 

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By * rdorgan on Jul 8, 2007 9:05 AM EDT

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=159705&version=1&template_id=43&parent_id=19

Green guru Gore slams global warming doubters

Published: Sunday, 8 July, 2007, 01:40 AM Doha Time

WASHINGTON: Eco-crusader Al Gore took centre stage among the rock stars yesterday to promote the Live Earth concerts aimed at raising awareness about global warming.

And as Gore was propelled into the media spotlight by the concerts in nine major cities, the former US vice president took a swipe at global warming doubters who accuse environmentalists of scaremongering.

“Some who don’t understand what is now at stake tried to stop this event on the Mall,” he said at the first US concert in Washington in a thinly veiled hit on members of President George W Bush’s Republican party. “But here we are.”
Washington was a last-minute addition to the global event months after organisers failed to find a space on the US capital’s National Mall, a sprawling green space featuring monuments including the Congress building.

Gore, who was later to address the New York concert, has campaigned for years warning of the dangers of climate change, and has seen his popularity soar as the world turns “green.”
The release of his Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth won him widespread appeal, and Gore’s obvious passion for the issue has demolished his old image as a boring, pedantic lecturer who droned on and on in a monotone – a characterisation that countless comedians had poked fun at.

Indeed he has been nearly as busy recently downplaying rumors of another presidential bid, after he narrowly lost the 2000 elections to Bush, whose term expires at the end of 2008.
“I don’t have any plans or intentions to be a candidate again and really the main reason is I’m involved in a different kind of campaign,” Gore said, adding that global warming is “the most serious crisis our civilisation has ever faced.”

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 8, 2007 9:06 AM EDT

Well IMHO step on hog has slighted the first three "guests" on his show:  Conyers, Paul, and Gravel

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By * rdorgan on Jul 8, 2007 9:18 AM EDT

I'm off to church

bbl 

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By Monica Smith on Jul 8, 2007 9:19 AM EDT

6.

Sometimes it seems like step on hog suffers from a deep disillusionment with his surrogate dad.  Perhaps he's the child of divorced parents and holds Clinton's infidelities against him on a visceral level.

I don't watch his show, but every once in a while he does a promo on the evening news and he always strikes me as not yet grown up.  Who was that nerdy kid in the comic books? 

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 9:23 AM EDT

He brought on Paul and Gravel to ridicule them  for sure. Unfortunately for him they made their points. I loved the way Conyers brought up impeachment.

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By Monica Smith on Jul 8, 2007 9:29 AM EDT

For all the good it will do, Gore did not lose to Bush and the troops being killed in Iraq are not losing their lives.

When successes or failures are inappropriately ascribed to individuals who had nothing to do with achieving either, then their real achievements are actually diminished.

Put another way, when something you didn't do is compared with something you did do, then what you did do is worth less.  In this case, it's the role of the voters who actually do the electing that's diminished and, as we are becoming increasingly aware, having been diminished, our votes and the accuracy with which they are tallied aren't getting the attention they should get. 

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 9:32 AM EDT

Re-elect Gore.

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 9:36 AM EDT

not a mention of Gore was there

the biggest event in the hsitory of the planet in terms of assembled audience and the talking heads ignored it today?

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 9:52 AM EDT

I PLEDGE:
Live Earth - Answer the Call

1. To demand that my country join an international treaty within the next 2 years that cuts global warming pollution by 90% in developed countries and by more than half worldwide in time for the next generation to inherit a healthy earth;
2. To take personal action to help solve the climate crisis by reducing my own CO2 pollution as much as I can and offsetting the rest to become "carbon neutral;"
3. To fight for a moratorium on the construction of any new generating facility that burns coal without the capacity to safely trap and store the CO2;
4. To work for a dramatic increase in the energy efficiency of my home, workplace, school, place of worship, and means of transportation;
5. To fight for laws and policies that expand the use of renewable energy sources and reduce dependence on oil and coal;
6. To plant new trees and to join with others in preserving and protecting forests; and,
7. To buy from businesses and support leaders who share my commitment to solving the climate crisis and building a sustainable, just, and prosperous world for the 21st century.

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By linda b on Jul 8, 2007 10:28 AM EDT

some of the so called new shows are taking every opportunity to blast the concerts. what media whores they are.
faux news indeed.

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By Imn2Paine on Jul 8, 2007 10:28 AM EDT

off to the beach

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By Sitka on Jul 8, 2007 10:33 AM EDT

some of the so called new shows are taking every opportunity to blast the concerts.

They're outnumber 2 billion to one and Al Gore is now the most respected person in the world. It's a regular Custer's Last Stand for corporate conservatism's control of the environmental debate. 

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By Huron John on Jul 8, 2007 10:40 AM EDT

Timid Democrats Need to Stand Up or Get Lost

http://www.counterpunch.org/edwards07042007.html

The horrific disaster inflicted on Iraq and America by the most cynical, dishonest, and incompetent President in our history and his Lamebrain Trust must be made to end now.

Not some time later, not in months, not after the useless deaths of hundreds more young soldiers, but immediately, with as much efficiency and security as can be managed, and as much assistance and support as can be had from a world community that has long been sickened and appalled by Mr. Bush and his blundering falsity and shameless fraud.

It is now established fact that the attack on Iraq was made on the basis of outright lies.

1. There was no connection between the destroyers of the Twin Towers and Iraq: none.

2. There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq and never had been: none.

3. Iraq had no capacity to attack America and no intention to do so: none.

Democratic leadership in the impossibly divided Congress has made feeble, floundering attempts to engineer a gradual end to the occupation. Their timid, tentative maneuvering has won their party nothing but obloquy from Republican know-nothings defending the indefensible, and contempt from the public which elected them to end the carnage. This has been richly deserved. They know why they were elected and what was expected, hoped for, yearned for from them by most Americans and they have not done it.

Why not? The reason is clear: they have put ducking responsibility for a painful, ethical act ahead of doing what principle, reason and humanity demands of them. The argument used to justify this moral cowardice is that they must "support the troops". There could not be a more blatant and cynical falsity than the delusion that continuing this brutal, bloody, failed occupation somehow "supports them". Those troops are being crippled and killed daily in a country that hates and rejects them, in a lunatic effort that can not and should not succeed: to secure the oil fields of Iraq and Central Asia for obscenely profiteering American oil companies. They are there for no other reason. None.

Congressional Democrats need to summon their moral courage and take the only action that actually "supports the troops: to end the occupation now and bring them home. It will be said that they don't have the numbers to override a veto, which is true but irrelevant. They need not create a bill to cut funding. As Congressman Dennis Kucinich has repeatedly pointed out, all they have to do is deny all further funding requested by the disgraced and discredited Bush regime. They have the strength in numbers to do that.

Democrats must honor their mandate or face abandonment by the millions of us who trusted them as well as the certain, unequivocal condemnation of history. End it now!

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By Huron John on Jul 8, 2007 10:43 AM EDT

Apropos of 17, Rahm Emanuel and many other Congressional cowards, as well as a goodly number of DFA bloggers, expect us to obediently get in line behind Democrats in '08, despite their betrayal of the voters.

Guess again suckers!

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By Michael Ellis on Jul 8, 2007 11:08 AM EDT

Huron John
Sun, 07/08/07
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Im not so sure about the DFA bloggers............sure, there will be a nucleus of die hards follow the leader and so on so forth, but I think the stench of 2004 and Kerry still remains along with the humiliation of defeat of yet another poor democratic Presidential candidate............

More and more Independents and digruntled dems as wellas as repubs may very well just sit this one out or write in their candidate.............or we will just continue our pursuits with the thought that if we survived under 8 years of Bush we can make it thru anything................

As for me, Ill be branching out internationally...............we can be ambasadors in our own right, much like philanthrpoists like Armand Hammer.

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 11:16 AM EDT
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I guess they should get lost - so the republicans can win.  Because Huron John does not like Rahm Emanuel we should have lost the Senate and House because Rahm Emanuel supported blue dogs in red States.

It is not the same as supporting Lieberman.

That's the 50 State strategy, einstein.  Don't like it? If you don't, you should find another blog, because Howard Dean is first, and Howard Dean is for that strategy.

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By donna in evanston on Jul 8, 2007 11:24 AM EDT
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I PLEDGE: Live Earth - Answer the Call 1. To demand that my country join an international treaty within the next 2 years that cuts global warming pollution by 90% in developed countries and by more than half worldwide in time for the next generation to inherit a healthy earth; 2. To take personal action to help solve the climate crisis by reducing my own CO2 pollution as much as I can and offsetting the rest to become "carbon neutral;" 3. To fight for a moratorium on the construction of any new generating facility that burns coal without the capacity to safely trap and store the CO2; 4. To work for a dramatic increase in the energy efficiency of my home, workplace, school, place of worship, and means of transportation; 5. To fight for laws and policies that expand the use of renewable energy sources and reduce dependence on oil and coal; 6. To plant new trees and to join with others in preserving and protecting forests; and, 7. To buy from businesses and support leaders who share my commitment to solving the climate crisis and building a sustainable, just, and prosperous world for the 21st century.  

I signed the pledge last night.  Now I have to make a small investment in reducing my carbon footprint.  I have been using recycled paper products for years and even have a winter hat made out of recycled plastic milk jugs.  (No, I will not respond if called jughead.  It looks just like a regular hat.)

I can do more.  I pledge to do more.

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By Deaniac in GA on Jul 8, 2007 11:37 AM EDT

Despite the constant dogging by Stephenawfulness all three of his guests did an excellent job of presenting their stances.

Rep. Conyers didn't really have to tell me that this commutation of Libby aides in still covering for Rove/Cheney, but maybe others needed to know this. As i was able to convey to a local radio audience this last week, this is not just about lying to federal investigators. This whole episode revolves around the selling/forcing of two wars, one being ginned up now with Iran, on the American people. In my humble opinion the VP didn't mind at all if Iran did aquire technologies that Plame was trying to prevent... he was gonna bomb them anyway.
Anyhoo, in the middle of the cry over "no underlying crime" by the wingnuts i was able to shed some light.

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By Deaniac in GA on Jul 8, 2007 11:43 AM EDT

Gotta run today or i'd get deeper into it but...

Ron Paul and Mike Gravel could be a lot more relaxed DESPITE George McAwful in these interveiws. Perhaps very optimistic, they are echoing the sense of the American people. Forget the wingnuts, they already are predicted to be driven to the hills in their own revolations - Americans are peeking through the 'fog of war' and see no future for their children in imperialism.

Good for Paul and Gravel!!


Love ya'll, mean it!!

Gore/Gravel??

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By Huron John on Jul 8, 2007 11:46 AM EDT

That's the 50 State strategy, einstein.  Don't like it? If you don't, you should find another blog, because Howard Dean is first, and Howard Dean is for that strategy.

Fred, you're such a gentleman when you compare apples and oranges.

The 50-state strategy has nothing to do with the fact that congressional "leaders" are cynical cowards

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By Huron John on Jul 8, 2007 11:47 AM EDT
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By Deaniac in GA on Jul 8, 2007 11:47 AM EDT

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I believe John thinks the Democrats should stand up. Hell they've sworn to uphold the US Constitution, and faithfully execute their offices, getting lost isn't really an option. Their removal in the next primary is our job, and why i'm involved.

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By Annilow on Jul 8, 2007 11:47 AM EDT

1. 11:56 Good morning.
2. Stephenopoulos's show well his guests were good. Forgot to watch MTP at 8.
3. Struck by news blackout on LiveEarth. I'm in awe that anyone could plan such a thing, get all those legends to perform for free, get all the sound equipment to work, find scientists in Antarctica who could jam. (Did it look warm in Antarctica for the dead of winter or is it just me?).
Contrast the massive, hopeful, uplifting event that was LiveEarth with ANY ELEMENT of Bush's administration, Passports, Katrina, Visas for foreigners who would like to spend $ here, the war, etc, etc.
4. What p*sses me off about Libby is Bush's arrogance in deciding that since the judge (who he appointed) apparently didn't know what the h*ll he was doing, that the punishment was excessive, he would change it. Who does he think he is? Daddy? King? God.
5. I think we would do what we need to for Earth if we a. had some leadership and b. they made it a little easier. Everyone started recycling when they gave us little bins to put out with the garbage - at least I did. There was an article somewere this morning Rawstory I think about the hassle Gore Vidal is getting from LA powers that be on the solar he put in. Why don't we have tax incentives? Zero interest loans? To install passive solar, individual windmills.

12:03 - Good afternoon.

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By mainefem on Jul 8, 2007 11:55 AM EDT
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By former on Jul 8, 2007 11:56 AM EDT

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Deaniac in GA
Sun, 07/08/07
11:43 am

...Americans are peeking through the 'fog of war' and see no future for their children in imperialism.
Good for Paul and Gravel!!

Gore/Gravel??
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Paul/Gravel OR Gravel/Paul!!

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By former on Jul 8, 2007 12:10 PM EDT

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Sun, 07/08/07
11:16 am

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Huron John
Sun, 07/08/07
10:40 am

Timid Democrats Need to Stand Up or Get Lost

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That's the 50 State strategy, einstein. Don't like it? If you don't, you should find another blog, because Howard Dean is first, and Howard Dean is for that strategy.
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Sun, 07/08/07
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The 50-state strategy has nothing to do with the fact that congressional "leaders" are cynical cowards
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At which point Fred your despise of "gross generalization" in principle switched to your inability to tolerate different point of view, including those that are different (such a sin!) from ones of Howard Dean's ?

If you would prefer to prey to him (or to anyone else) that's fine, but unwillingness others to do so shouldn't prevent them from participating in ANY public(!!!) blog.

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 12:21 PM EDT

. As i was able to convey to a local radio audience this last week, this is not just about lying to federal investigators. This whole episode revolves around the selling/forcing of two wars, one being ginned up now with Iran, on the American people.

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right HOWARDLY of you Deaniac

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 12:22 PM EDT

3. To fight for a moratorium on the construction of any new generating facility that burns coal without the capacity to safely trap and store the CO2;

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Is Obama on board?

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By Phil Specht on Jul 8, 2007 12:25 PM EDT

good luck to every progressive primary challenge

The Chair can't help us from his neutral position.

good tennis match going, bbl

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 12:50 PM EDT
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At which point Fred your despise of "gross generalization" in principle switched to your inability to tolerate different point of view, including those that are different (such a sin!) from ones of Howard Dean's ?

If you would prefer to prey to him (or to anyone else) that's fine, but unwillingness others to do so shouldn't prevent them from participating in ANY public(!!!) blog

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despise? prey?

All I did was give "cut-and-paste-all-our-blog-space" John a dose of his own hyperbolic medicine.

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 1:01 PM EDT
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The 50-state strategy has nothing to do with the fact that congressional "leaders" are cynical cowards

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you confuse your ego-driven opinion with fact. 

Your despising them as cynical cowards is an opinion not shared by a majority of Democrats.  Since this argument is your instigation, you need to provide evidence of it being a fact and not an opinion. 

The fact is that we won the House and the Senate with some of the people you call cynical cowards.  You should try winning in their States. 

Criticizing from the bleachers is a lot easier than being on the field in the game. 

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By Joan* In*Florida on Jul 8, 2007 1:05 PM EDT

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That's the 50 State strategy, einstein.  Don't like it? If you don't, you should find another blog, because Howard Dean is first, and Howard Dean is for that strategy.

 

Sheese Fred, I'm really proud of you. Great post!

Tell these Repugs invading our BFA planet to get lost themselves. We will be voting for our Dem nominee, whoever it is. If any here don't agree with that in 2008, then they too are on the wrong blog. This will be a do or die election for this country.

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 1:10 PM EDT
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Thanks.  Divide and conquer is an old strategy.  We need to influence those Democratci Senators and Reps who disagree with us - not disparage them with the most despicable language we can find.

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By mary vb on Jul 8, 2007 1:07 PM EDT

Congats to Roger Federer - fifth consec. Wimbledon title.

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I can't stomach watching the morning shows any longer but since my parents are here - Stephy was in my living room. Caught snippets here and there. Argh!

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By mary vb on Jul 8, 2007 1:10 PM EDT

Huron wrote:

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My parents echoed this sentiment after watching the *morning shows* especially when you hear Hagel and Paul rip Bushco to shreds.

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2007 1:18 PM EDT

Come on, guys, play nicely.

The repugs and dems who are not doing the will of the people need to be removed from office or defeated in primaries.  Problem is, we can't wait that long.  Already a think tank is in full swing to convince us all that Iran is a deadly enemy and we must do a regime change there too.  Look how well it worked in Iraq.  It went from Saddam the dictator to full blown civil war and a training ground for people who hate us. 

Since Bush has not taken bombing Iran off the table, does that mean it's not going to be bombed?   You lost me with that one, Monica.  

Yes, parents of candidates need to be vetted; backgrounds, especially in religion need to be exposed.  And candidates often say one thing to get elected and then do the opposite.  Clinton and Obama strike me as being those kinds of people.  Not sure about Edwards.  I trust Gore.

What an effing mess we're in and it's just gonna get worse now that cheney owns judicial.  We cannot take till Jan 08 to get rid of him, noting the damge he's doing HOURLY at this point.

Impeach the s.o.b already.  Uphold the Constitution!  Most of are critters are good candidates for impeachment. 

 

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By Joan* In*Florida on Jul 8, 2007 1:19 PM EDT

I am waiting to see if the Edwards campaign infusion of new blood will do the right things. John has so much potential that just isn't out there yet.  

John needs to get one or two outstanding military/war wizards onboard as Dean did in 2003 to write politices for him then make those policies public on your website, again just as Dean did.

Then keep building on that with domestic policy people with like-ideas and proceed in the same way. Remember when Dean did this, each new policy would require him to get familiar with a new speech and so he would be reading that for a few times at rallies. But it worked wonders. No one could say Dean didn't have any policies -- he had tons of them, all on his website which Kerry and  Edwards ultimately helped themselves to.

John needs to also just be John. He is very likeable, something the  Repugs recoil at. Keep getting the $400 haircuts which he pays for  himself. Nobody is asking Bush how much his haircuts are costing us taxpayers.

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 1:19 PM EDT
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There are always exceptions.

I like Hagel 

Paul is worse than 2/3 of Republicans, for a  government that works for the poor and middle class

If Hage and Paul are so great, why don't they become Democrats.

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By Joan* In*Florida on Jul 8, 2007 1:21 PM EDT

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Exactly Fred, we're on the same page.

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By former on Jul 8, 2007 1:23 PM EDT

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FRED from OR
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The 50-state strategy has nothing to do with the fact that congressional "leaders" are cynical cowards

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you confuse your ego-driven opinion with fact.

Your despising them as cynical cowards is an opinion not shared by a majority of Democrats. Since this argument is your instigation, you need to provide evidence of it being a fact and not an opinion.

The fact is that we won the House and the Senate with some of the people you call cynical cowards. You should try winning in their States.

Criticizing from the bleachers is a lot easier than being on the field in the game.
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...I'm trying to smile in respond to Fred's eagerness to fight for "an opinion...shared by a majority of Democrats".

a) before becoming "fact" an "opinion" must be formed first;

b) those who tell us they don't have votes (while they actually do) to stop this war are "cynical cowards" indeed;

c) there is an "opinion" suggested by Gravel who "had been in the of game" and DID demonstrate real courage to fight his cause (regarding Vietnam war and Pentagon documents) which is exactly THE SAME as that of John's one (see Today's "This Week" Gravel's interview along with proposal HOW exactly Demos TODAY can finish this war).

d) and finally, been among a majority not necessarily and not always means been on the right side of history in the long run. Ability to stay and sustain own position (even been a single voice) does, imo, deserve at least some respect (very Dean's example proves so).

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By linda b on Jul 8, 2007 1:21 PM EDT

did u see mike gravel on stephy's show?

when he was talking about the pentagon papers? he was crying and so was I.

and yes a blackout of the liveearth concert but that is ok.

they are scared to death of the truth.

if they are scared, I am not. turn off the tv.

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By former on Jul 8, 2007 1:28 PM EDT

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If Hage and Paul are so great, why don't they become Democrats.
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...lol, Fred your logic is absolutely perverted and stands upside down. Please try to reflect on the meaning of your words!

Who has told you that if the mind is great it must belong to Democratic Party? (lol..., even Howard Dean never said such a nonsense!).

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By Michael Ellis on Jul 8, 2007 1:32 PM EDT

If Hage and Paul are so great, why don't they become Democrats

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Fred,

When good, decent, charming an educated people like me LEAVE the Democratic party...well, that says something..................we are leaving en masse.................

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 1:34 PM EDT

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"This Week" Gravel's interview along with proposal HOW exactly Demos TODAY can finish this war.
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That's a no-brainer.   If he is implying we don't need 2/3 in the Senate, he babbling nonsense.  If he is talking about logistics, diplomacy, and saving ALL lives (not just GIs) and bringing peace to the ME, he should take a hint from Biden-Gelb, and Boxer, who supports this kind of policy.  BTW Boxer voted against the Iraq Resolution.

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By Joan* In*Florida on Jul 8, 2007 1:34 PM EDT

Move-On is sending out emails asking you to vote for your favorite candidate.

There is some good informantion there on a chart from the League of  Women Voters about candidate responses. You can also sign up for their Rapid Response or chip in $$ to their climate campaign if you wish.

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2007 1:38 PM EDT

If more of us said loudly that we're not gonna vote for the dem they throw at us, perhaps things could change. I can't imagine another repug prez, nor can I imagine voting for Clinton.  Any ideas?

Dems are panicked once again, thinking they have to beat the repugs.  What they need to do is put up a candidate that reflects the will of the people.  Gore and Kucinich come to mind.  

The crucial life or death election, sorry to say, was 2004, and the frightened, misguided dems went for Kerry ...ABB..now they might make the same mistake and go for anyone who can beat a repug and think it's Clinton, who will promply lose to Hagel or even Thompson, heaven forbid IMO

Fear has gripped the caucus in IA which is deadly for our country.  Actually, fear has gripped the nation.  You don't win elections by voting out of fear, but out of courage to choose a candidate maybe the CMWs don't like or maybe AIPAC doesn't approve of.  To hell with them all.  We have to choose a candidate out  of wisdom and intelligence.  I don't see that happening in in the press, in IA or anywhere else. 

In my opinion, we're already effed. IA could have been a turning point but instead has again chosen to court the chosen ones; chosen by money, by the CMWs and by the lobbyists. My sense is that IA likes the power of being first and power is very very seductive and can be *bought.*

Sorry, Phil.  This just isn't fair.  I really hope Edwards does well since he seems to be the best of the *top tier* which is not my top tier. But I don't get to vote...what state gets to vote first should change every single election.

End of rant.  Humbug!

Gore/Dean/Gravel/Kucinich/Waters/Boxer/Conyers/Leahy 

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By Joan* In*Florida on Jul 8, 2007 1:42 PM EDT

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Michael,

People who cut and run from the Democrat Party now are simply unable to cope with the responsibilities the Democrats are faced with because of the incompetence of Repugs..

It's just soooo much easier to say, "Oh no, I'm an Independent (or Green or whatever)" and thus do not have to answer to or for anything because most of them don't know what to stand for anymore.

In short, they are copouts!

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 1:45 PM EDT
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I've left the Democratic party many times, so I understand, but that was when it was a small tent party.  I guess we have different reasons for leaving.  Now it is a big tent party, and getting bigger every day, so I am staying.  Until the laws change to make a multi-party system practical, I will stay with a big tent Democratic party.

We are still the party of peace, and caring for the poor and disenfranchised....maybe if you were one of them, you would be more tolerant.

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By Joan* In*Florida on Jul 8, 2007 1:45 PM EDT

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Clinton would be 100 times better than a Repug prez. Some of her policies are pretty good and certainly liberal. There is NO Repug candidate who can or will come remotely close to her.

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2007 1:48 PM EDT

You can be an Independent and still send money to dems, vote for dems, work for dems and yes, criticize dems.

Leaving the party in droves might be enuf of a wake up call to encourage them to put impeachment on the table and/or cut the funding, not to mention help choose a good candidate who'll stand up to corporations and lobbyists.

Many dem critters are corrupt, self-serving and terrified of cheney.  They just need some courage, that's all, and we're behind them.  Maybe their children are being threatened..what could keep them so timid unless it's threat of death, loss of power etc?

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By Mz*Little on Jul 8, 2007 1:51 PM EDT

Who does he think he is? Daddy? King? God.

Yes. Yes. and Yes.

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2007 1:54 PM EDT

Respectfully, Joan, I think Hagel could beat Hillary and Condi would draw well as his running mate. Bloomberg also could take Hillary IMO.  Iraq will be the issue and Hillary is weak and corporate on the ME.  Not gonna sit well with the voters.  They will vote for an end end end to the madness.

If Hillary is the chosen one, I will look carefully at any repug who has yet to enter, since Iraq is my first priority.  A decent repug might jump in.  But the idea of voting for a repug is like nails on a blackboard ... but so is Clinton. 

Our country is already lost...04 was the election of our lives.  Let's just hope there will be another election and one that isn't stolen.  MO only

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By FRED from OR on Jul 8, 2007 1:56 PM EDT

51.  & 53.

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People often forget that red-State Democrats are not always being influenced by corporation and big money.  They have conservative voters and they often walk a thin line and have a difficult balancing act.

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By seashell on Jul 8, 2007 1:58 PM EDT

Whoever thinks we haven't lost this country...well, read this.


FOCUS | White House to Tell Miers to Ignore Senate Subpoena
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/070807Y.shtml
The White House intends to instruct a former aide to Karl Rove and former White House counsel Harriet Miers, both of whom are scheduled to testify before a Senate committee next week about their roles in the firings of US attorneys last year, not to comply with the panel's subpoena, reports Peter Baker in Sunday's Washington Post.

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By Linda on Jul 8, 2007 1:56 PM EDT

'"If you want to save the planet let me see you jump."

"Wearing a black dress and her hair in Thirties-style ringlets, Madonna thanked former US Vice President Al Gore "for giving the world the wake-up call it so badly needs and for starting an avalanche of awareness that we are running out of time".

"Lets hope tonight's concert and the concerts going on around the world are not just about entertainment but starting a revol