this was in my local paper. what a putz.

howard and jim are primo. uno. eine. un.

Dean is first among firsts.

Hey linda.  I loved your TBA conference reports.  Thanks for doing those.

AND WHO CAN FORGET THIS GOLDEN OLDIE?

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Sitka
Thu, 05/31/07
11:06 pm

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74. FRED from OR

Who'da'thunk the government gave out checks for that? But it does perhaps explain your behavior on this blog

Apparently, you are referring to my Apparently, you are referring to my severely limiting and disabling MCS condition.

Actually, I was referring to your severlely limiting and disabling mental condition.

But there I've done it -- forgotten my pledge to ignore and have nothing but pity for you since that's all you're really after.

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pardon moi - better stick to the issues or you will start sounding like the clown from hell

Tom, thanks, I have one ready to go, in detail. When Sheri gets a chance.
Let me tell you she is one hard worker.
And what a smile. She is amazing.
I hope we can all get to the TBA next year.
Peace out.

Since Fred has decided to piss on this thread too I'll take my leave for a while.

If DNC "officials" say the rules cannot be changed, the how in the world could the meeting be "constructive" as Debbie Wasserman Schultz claims?

Dean has said the state's primary ''essentially won't count'' because the date violates national party rules that allow only four smaller states to vote that early. Candidates who campaign in scofflaw states lose any delegates to the national convention that they earn in those states, even if they win the most voters.

Florida could avoid the penalties if the state party held its own election, called a caucus, after Feb. 5, but party leaders have said that would disenfranchise Jan. 29 voters.

''The meeting with Chairman Dean was constructive,'' said U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston in a written statement. ``Chairman Dean recognizes the concerns the delegation has about Floridians being disenfranchised, and we agreed to continue discussing possible solutions to this problem.''

DNC officials have made it clear that the rules cannot be changed.

Spokesman Luis Miranda declined to comment on Thursday's meeting.

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of Americans are liberal. How long will it take politicians and the media to get that? 6/23

NATO airstrikes, clashes kill 25 Afghans 6/23

Rudyard Kipling:

 When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.

Are there any pictures of Howard Dean from TBA?  I saw the video and he was great.   Haven't seen any pictures yet.

I think we need to get out of Iraq right now.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1352

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of Americans are liberal. How long will it take politicians and the media to get that? 6/23

They aren't stupid. They get it. But keeping the public misinformed is what serves their purpose.

I disagree with HD on this one. The caucus/primary schedule in place now is an artificial one. States should be able to hold them when they choose within a general timeline.

Pass-through on the way to bed.

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You'll love this one ... it's Salvo One of the response to prick's office not being part of the Executive Branch ... where it will actually go is anyone's guess.

But I sort of like the idea that prick should repay the salary ... and perks ... he's been getting as VP.

After all, it's chickenfeed next to his take from Halliburton.

And yes, he should move out of Al Gore's old house ... ASAP.

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Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill Josh Catone
Published: Saturday June 23, 2007

Following Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that his office is not a part of the executive branch of the US government, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) plans to introduce an amendment to the the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations bill to cut funding for Cheney's office.

The amendment to the bill that sets the funding for the executive branch will be considered next week in the House of Representatives.

"The Vice President has a choice to make. If he believes his legal case, his office has no business being funded as part of the executive branch," said Emanuel in a statement released to RAW STORY. "However, if he demands executive branch funding he cannot ignore executive branch rules. At the very least, the Vice President should be consistent. This amendment will ensure that the Vice President's funding is consistent with his legal arguments."

[...]
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Democrats_...

I'm going to shock you all and give a HOWARDLY to Rahm Emanuel.

The Foreign Policy of Barack Obama

http://www.counterpunch.org/taylor06232007.html

Hillary Clinton, in terms of imperial-minded foreign policy. This is doubly regrettable since Clinton herself provides no substantive alternative to the neoconservative philosophy of the Bush administration.

As with Clinton and the other "respectable" contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Obama has consistently voted to fund the war and has opposed an immediate withdrawal of American troops. While state legislator Obama opposed an immediate war with Iraq in 2002-03, he did not do so on anti-imperial or noninterventionist grounds. He opposed the war at a time when the idea was relatively unpopular, especially among his Chicago constituents. He later backpedaled somewhat from his public opposition.

An adept politician, Obama began emphasizing his "anti-war" stance as the war became increasingly unpopular among Democrats across the country and he began gearing up for the 2008 presidential campaign. Gone was the 2004 equivocating. He had found an issue with which to distinguish himself from Clinton, Edwards, and Biden. Campaigning among grassroots Democrats, Obama sounds like Cindy Sheehan, but his real, far more nuanced views have been laid out for members of the elite Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

Of course, Obama is being dishonest when he pretends that the U.S. government was trying to "ignore the rest of the world" prior to 9/11. Isolationism did not provoke the terrorists. On the contrary, the terrorist attack was partly a result of decades of U.S. intervention overseas--precisely the kind of meddling that Obama euphemistically calls "maintaining a strong foreign policy, pursuing our enemies, and promoting our values around the world."

In a second speech, in April 2007, Obama told the CCGA, " I reject the notion that the American moment has passed. I dismiss the cynics who say that this new century cannot be another when, in the words of President Franklin Roosevelt, we lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good. I still believe that America is the last, best hope of Earth.

With a straight face, Obama declared, "In today's globalized world, the security of the American people is inextricably linked to the security of all people." He continued, "World opinion has turned against us. And after all the lives lost and the billions of dollars spent, many Americans may find it tempting to turn inward, and cede our claim of leadership in world affairs. I insist, however, that such an abandonment of our leadership is a mistake we must not make....We must lead the world, by deed and example."

Obama has quietly slipped in an endorsement of preemptive war with his wording "imminently threatened." And notice also the use of the Power Elite's favorite foreign policy weasel words: "our vital interests." This is a catch-all phrase that really means the economic and imperial interests of the Fortune 500 and their political deputies.

Like Hillary Clinton, Obama is clearly in the Hubert Humphrey-Harry Truman-Henry Jackson tradition of "muscular internationalism," with its attendant gunboat diplomacy and faux global humanitarianism. Obama also identifies with the Kennedy fraternity of the Democratic Party...not only stylistically with his movie star glamour but also with his "pay any price, bear any burden" view of the whole world as our responsibility and fiefdom. Those who want peace on Earth and who favor a humble American republic rather than an overbearing American empire must look elsewhere for an alternative to HRC, GWB, and the foreign policy status quo.

What is the answer? It ain't Obama. Better to vote for Senator Mike Gravel or Congressman Dennis Kucinich. Kucinich is good but he has a Humphrey-like sentimentality that can lead to mushy-headed thinking and political compromise. Gravel is more of a no-nonsense guy with deep populist instincts unclouded by New Age touchy-feeliness. That's one reason I prefer him over Kucinich. But either of these lesser-known Democratic candidates are far better than the more-famous options of Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Dodd, or Gore. All of these individuals supported the Clinton administration's foreign policy of missiles and money in the 1990s, and all of them supported military action against Iraq during the past twenty years.

Americans who are dissatisfied with needless wars and arrogant meddling could more profitably spend their time reading someone like Andrew Bacevich than gazing at the tinseled hoopla surrounding candidates like Barack Obama

I agree with Cheney.  He's a member of the legislative branch and has no business in the executive.  While it might be a courtesy to provide him an office in which to make some calls while he waits for an occasional briefing with the cabinet, there's no reason for him to have an executive staff.  Sure, let him chair the Senate.  It will give the real senators more time to actually read the bills.

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Sitka
Sat, 06/23/07
6:18 pm

Since Fred has decided to piss on this thread too I'll take my leave for a while.

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Wait a minute - I'm not the one obsessed with excretory functions of horses, which is what started this exchange, in response to a political statement you, Sitka, did not like. You had no intelligent response, so you resorted to mockery with a picture of a horses rectum, or something?

Only two comments on my diary, but others have covered the subject.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/23/8922/26448 

15. Phil Specht Sat, 06/23/07 6:55 pm

I'm going to shock you all and give a HOWARDLY to Rahm Emanuel.
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I'm gonna shock myself and 2nd that! drip...drip...drip...

summer's here, let's make a SPLASH, democrats! I'm ready for more than just a drip...

I'm here Fred.  You can kick me around. Wait til I get back from reading the last thread though. You have a problem with the fact I think Biden has a limp ill disguised waffle about leaving Iraq while in fact leaving tens of thousands of troops there.

I think Dodd, Edwards, and Richardson all have a better grasp than Biden of what our true responsibility is.(quit breaking the pottery, leave the barn)

more candidates are shuffling schedules to be at our training July 14th

for those that like substance instead of one minute debate answers

looks like I'm going to busy setting things up with the press

coffee and donuts with Biden, lunch with Edwards, wine down with Obama, with real meat during training sessions

just 20 minutes to the airport, ...  anyone?

the Obama llama was the hit of the Rodeo Days Parade btw

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Phil Specht
Sat, 06/23/07
7:15 pm

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I'm here Fred. You can kick me around. Wait til I get back from reading the last thread though. You have a problem with the fact I think Biden has a limp ill disguised waffle about leaving Iraq while in fact leaving tens of thousands of troops there
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Phil, I don't mind a good intellectual kick. Eleanor Clift is a good liberal, but also a very practical down to earth person. "Tens of thousands" IMO is a rhetorical exagerration of "20,000 or so"

You seem old enough to understand that 20,000 or so troops (or more) is not unrealistic, or impractical consideration of any candidate if they became president, even Richardson. He is obviously following the famous Nixon quote of running to one side of the political spectrum for the primary and racing back to the middle for the general election.

Biden is the only one honest enough with the historical perspective to tell it like it is. Unfortunately, in this brain-dead-media culture(and Democrats are no exception) star-quality and bumper-sticker slogans, have more value than intelligence and honesty.

Listen to me, I am starting to sound like a Jihadist.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE NOT HERE EARLIER, PHI L and I were discussing this:

Joe Biden’s Horse Sense

By Eleanor Clift

June 22, 2007 - It was classic Biden. He was late for lunch and would have to leave early, but in the 20 minutes he stayed and took questions, he got more words out than most politicians do in twice the time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19373196/site/newsweek/

phil, the award is much needed. thanks. going to get some rest

New York, New York
June 5, 2007

A-CHAMP, an organization that advocates for children with vaccine injuries and autism, is pleased to provide daily reporting and commentary on Cedillo v. The Department of Health and Human Services. Cedillo is the first case to be heard in the federal vaccine court's Omnibus Autism Proceeding, bringing together more than 4,800 cases alleging that vaccines and their components caused autism. The Cedillo case, which started June 11, 2007 at the U.S. Federal Court of Claims before three administrative judges, is a firsta step in the legal process to determine whether vaccines caused autism in certain cases.

http://achampblog.org/2007/06/22/day-10-respondents-case-continued-dr-wakefield-and-thimerosal-achamps-daily-report-on-the-cedillo-hearing-by-mary-holland-esq.aspx

Apparently, you are referring to my Apparently, you are referring to my severely limiting and disabling MCS condition.

Actually, I was referring to your severlely limiting and disabling mental condition.

But there I've done it -- forgotten my pledge to ignore and have nothing but pity for you since that's all you're really after. 

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Sitka -

IMO Fred isn't after pity, he's after an intelligent discussion and he helps bring one to this blog.

I'm glad he's part of this blog community.

Peter Gomes / General Synod Live

in relation to suicide bombers in the ME and the contrast with the United Church of Christ: 

"We are not asked to die for our religion

we are asked to LIVE for our religion" 

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Paine -

Thanks for the link about the United Church of Christ 5-day 50th anniversary synod being held in Hartford, CT by the most liberal American Protestant denomination through this Tues.

I caught a bit of the online live synod when Bill Moyers was speaking early today at 10 am but I missed the UCC member guest speaker at 2:30 pm today due to being out running errands for my wife.

NEWEST AMERICAN BUMPER STICKERS .
 
  1)   (On an infant's shirt)  : Already smarter than Bush
  2)   1/20/09: End of an Error
  3)   That's OK, I Wasn't Using My Civil Liberties Anyway
  4)   Let's Fix Democracy in This Country First
  5)   If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran
  6)   Bush. Like a Rock. Only Dumber.
  7)   You Can't Be Pro-War And Pro-Life At The Same Time
  8)   If You Can Read This, You're Not Our President
  9)   Of Course It Hurts: You're Getting Screwed by an Elephant
  10)   Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?
  11)   George Bush: Creating the Terrorists Our Kids Will Have to Fight
  14)    America : One Nation, Under Surveillance
  15)     They Call Him "W" So He Can Spell It
  16)     Which God Do You Kill For?
  17)     Cheney/Satan '08
  18)     Jail to the Chief!
  19)     Who Would Jesus Torture?
  20)     No, Seriously, Why Did We Invade
  21)     Bush: God's Way of Proving Intelligent Design is Full Of Crap
  22)     Like Jesus Would Own a Gun and Vote Republican
  23)     Bad president! No Banana.
  24)     We Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language
  25)     We're Making Enemies Faster Than We Can Kill Them
  26)     Buck Fush!
  27)     Rich Man's War, Poor Man's Blood
  28)     Is It Vietnam Yet?
  29)     Bush Doesn't Care About White People, Either
  30)     Where Are We Going? And Why Are We In This Handbasket?
  31)     You Elected Him. You Deserve Him.
  32)     Frodo Failed. Bush Has the Ring.
  33)     Impeach Cheney First!
  34)     Dubya, Your Dad Shoulda Pulled Out, Too!
  35)     When Bush Took Office, Gas Was $1.46 . . .
  36)     The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century

You voted for him. That makes you responsible. Give us a hand fixing things and you will sleep better.

Sitka wrote "I disagree with HD on this one."

He had nothing to do with setting the primary schedule or creating the rules.  That was done by a committee which was delegated before he ever became chair.  It's a democratic process that he abides by and enforces as executive.  All of the state party organizations were aware of the rules before scheduling their primaries and caucuses.

* rdorgan

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Thanks, I don't mind a little sarcasm or rough debate (I like McLaughlin Group) but cynical  personal attacks and sophomoric obscenity is poor excuse for honest disagreement.   Coming from the political Left does just as much damage to this blog community as coming from Trolls on the political Right

FRED -

No problem.

(the posts are flipping when post within the same minute)

comment # 35 is a response to #36

With tonight's win, New England Revolution head to the top of the Eastern Division in MLS:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mls/recap?gid=2007062309

FOXBORO, MASSACHUSETTS (TICKER) -- Andy Dorman was determined to lead the New England Revolution to a victory.

Dorman scored two goals as the Revolution defeated Toronto FC, 3-0, on Saturday night

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 NEWEST AMERICAN BUMPER STICKERS .

Those are great bumper stickers but they really make me miss jc.  Some of them are hers.

37.  yea, weird - bbl

Tom 34.

That isn't quite how the rules are written or enforced, they have to be voted on and accepted by the entire DNC. Howard was Chair through the process, which means he only votes in case of a tie.The enforcement provisions harken back to the dual delegations of the civil rights years but are rewritten and approved in every cycle. The Credential process at the Convention (which Howard will run) will set up the fight as to naming names of uncredentialed Florida delegates of individual candidates representatives (people with real names who are elected through individual state rules which differ state to state) if it comes to that. The way this is shaping up as a race with multiple candidates with hundreds of delegates each might make that fight interesting. Howard might have the most challenging job on the planet in Denver but I'm sure he will be capable of giving the body a chance to vote it's wishes.

 great bumper stickers but they really make me miss jc.  Some of them are hers

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I gave blood at the Teamsters bldg in Charlestown today and as I was walking out i took a double take!  Right in front of me on the ass-end (no, not like the lovely horse tail Sitka posted last thread...an intoxicating tail if I do say so mysel...)

...on the ass-end of a black SUV was a bumper sticker:

worst. president. ever.  (with a wavy flag)

Love it!  Made my day.  I thought, OMG, that could be one jc did.

Yo, *rdorgan

I checked that site, and...

Watch afternoon keynote by U.S. Sen. Barack Obama

http://www.ucc.org/synod/live.html

Keep in mind that in most states the primary system apportions delegate strength and a separate process is used to elect the actual delegates. And again state by state rules apply (as long as they have been approved by the DNC).

The DNC did take a vote to accept the Rules Committtee Report that put the current system in place.

If the nominee that comes out of this current system loses you can bet it will be tweaked a little.

Judy Lynne Cadoret we miss you.

Imn2Paine -

That's great. I'll have to wait and catch the Obama speech online once it's archived (ditto for the entire Moyers' speech).

Well, I'm too errand-running tired to catch any Saturday Night Live tonight.

Nite all.

paine

the question is one of permanent bases in Iraq and whether or not it will be a Korea type duration in that country

we moved our forces out of Saudi Arabia at their request, Kuwait still welcomes us

we have six or seven times that number in the whole region

gotta reboot

“Senator Obama ended his speech with stirring words worthy of a neoconservative: ‘The American moment has not passed. The American moment is here. And like generations before us, we will seize that moment, and begin the world anew.’ Revolutionary fervor a la Robespierre and Trotsky has not completely left the Democratic Party in favor of greener Republican pastures!”

I don’t know about you, but it came as a complete surprise to me to learn that revolutionary fervor was leaving the Democratic Party for greener Republican pastures. You also need to be aware that:

“Obama has told [Times columnist David] Brooks that Reinhold Niebuhr is one of his favorite philosophers. This was also true for Senator Hubert Humphrey (DFL-MN), a father of neoconservatism. In the early 1940s, Niebuhr resigned from the Socialist Party, denounced Norman Thomas as a "utopian" for maintaining pacifist, anti-imperial views, and became an admirer of FDR. Niebuhr and Humphrey were both founders of Americans for Democratic Action, a pro-capitalism, pro-Cold War group, and both supported Truman for president rather than Norman Thomas or Henry Wallace in the fall of 1948.

“Niebuhr used theological arguments to defend the economic and political status quo, specifically monopoly capitalism seasoned with welfare programs at home and martial imperialism leaved with humanitarian rhetoric abroad. Unlike William Jennings Bryan--a Democratic opponent of militarism and imperialism earlier in the century--Niebuhr rejected orthodox Christianity as grounded in a literal reading of the New Testament.”

Humphrey is a father of neoconservatism? Who knew? You apparently won’t want to campaign for Kucinich because:

“Kucinich is good but he has a Humphrey-like sentimentality that can lead to mushy-headed thinking and political compromise.”

Humphrey-like sentimentality? Kucinich must be a neoconservative, too. Forget him. Here’s a better option for people who don’t mind controlling reproduction rights, just not firearms:

“Another option for those of us who like popular sovereignty, justice, and nonviolence is Ron Paul. He is the only GOP presidential contender who opposes the Iraq War, the U.N. Security Council, and the Patriot Act. It's true that some liberal Democrats cannot swallow his opposition to abortion--which comes from a consistent life ethic that also includes opposition to war and capital punishment--and some New Deal nostalgiasts object to his libertarian belief in small, constitutional government, but Ron Paul is far more Jeffersonian in the best sense of the word than is Obama or Clinton.”

New Thread!

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/21281...

Phil wrote "That isn't quite how the rules are written or enforced, they have to be voted on and accepted by the entire DNC."

Thanks.  My only point of contention was that in disagreeing with Dean, Sitka was implying these rules were some edict of his, not the committee that formulated them and the members who approved them.

say we "win" the current battles and tighten our grip of occupation, is Iraq closer or further from freedom?

are we safer by staying longer? (never mind that such type of occupation is illegal)

we just keep digging ourselves a bigger hole

My only point of contention was that in disagreeing with Dean, Sitka was implying these rules were some edict of his, not the committee that formulated them and the members who approved them.

OK, I disagree with the rules. They're designed solely to keep the privileged staus of IA and NH intact. Break 'em!

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Sitka
Sat, 06/23/07
12:42 pm

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Joe Biden’s Horse Sense

 Fred's response:

Apparently that is where you think "common sense" comes from - not surprised

With so many ideas to deal with intellingent thinking must be difficult.

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Whether it's funny or not is anyone's opinion. But I made no initial comment regarding Fred, just Biden's scheme, to which he responded as you can see.

If you think attacking the intellect of another for calling Biden's scheme a horse's ass is "intelligent discussion" that's your business. 

I'm going to shock you all and give a HOWARDLY to Rahm Emanuel.
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I'm gonna shock myself and 2nd that! drip...drip...drip...

If you said why you are defacing the very concept of "Howardly" by giving it to an arch-NeoDem corruptnik, it might sound right or wrong instead of just plain crazy. 

I agree with Cheney.  He's a member of the legislative branch and has no business in the executive.

Cheney thinks he's a seperate and superior branch of government. And, sad to say, that's what he's been allowed to become by subservient Republicans and Democratic collaborators. 

Ok, I get it now. If and when Emanuel carries it through he'll get a grudging Howardly. But tough talk is cheap and not worth a freebie comparison to Dean. We've had enough of that from DCDems.