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Press Clips: 5-2-07
1. Rebuttal To Dill Support of the HR811 Trojan Horse, The Scoop
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0705/S00043.htm
2. Hillary Sympathizes with Impeach Sentiment in San Diego, American Chronicle
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=25832
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There are provision for minority rights, it's just that when Dems were in the majority they dropped the ball.
Also, the public can be irrational sometimes, look how high support for war was in 2002 versus now. When a pres or a party goes against public opinion they lose elections, which rethugs will for the next two cycles. Question is what kind of Dems will we get?
~D
ooops, Dems dropped ball while in minority.
Howard be first here...but Gravel is very Howardly
We the People have to hold the Congress accountable, especially the Dems. The Dems get in and debate rather than legislate.
Democracy requires a lot of work by the citizens and Ronald Reagans wisdom :Trust but verify!
We should not be giving money to Dems that vote like Repubs. Repubs know who their base is. Dems don't care about their base. This has got to stop. The Dem base needs to discipline the Dems.
I suggest no money to Dems who vote to continue the Iraq Occupation.
Reed in VT
Wed, 05/02/07
8:48 pm
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Fred, saw your post about Gravel not caring about the Iraq people...what are you talking about? There are certain arguments re: Gravel and the policies he wishes to implement that are poignant...to question his humanitarianism is ridiculous.
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Have no idea what you are talking about? Who is Gravel? A reference to my alleged statement might help
At first I thought this was funny...then I realized the awful truth of it. Be sure to read all the way to the end!
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his pass.
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid, put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom..."
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What happened? And I still have to "press 1" for English
Jo*in*Vermont
Wed, 05/02/07
8:58 pm
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re: Fred, saw your post about Gravel not caring about the Iraq people...what are you talking about?
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I've come to the conclusion that Fred just likes to throw out bombs with little fact to back them up
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If it is my opinion, I don't necessarily need "facts" to back it up - If I state a fact I provide a reference, more than many "well-liked" blowhards on this blog.
Was JFK plot buried with Hunt? http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_was_jfk_plot_buried_with_hunt.htm
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Jo*in*Vermont
Wed, 05/02/07
8:58 pm
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Again, I ask "who the hell is Gravel and what did I say about him unbeknownst to me?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/loose_change_to_be_inflight_movie_on_virgin_atlantic.htmLoose Change 2 to be In-Flight Movie for Virgin Atlantic
Reed, yes, I believe you're right, definitely will be worth staying up for....if you can. :)
Reed in VT
Wed, 05/02/07
8:48 pm
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Jo*in*Vermont
Wed, 05/02/07
8:58 pm135.
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former
Wed, 05/02/07
3:14 pm
What to investigate..., lol?
As Gravel said to him during debate (may not be precise quote):
"Joe you do have certain arrogance to tell Iraqis what they should do!"
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Gravel apparently doesn' t care what the Iraqi people think, or how many will die. Obviously, I don't expect that Biden would deploy any plan without the full consent and cooperation of the Iraqi people
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I found this and now see what you mean -
I SAID "APPARENTLY" ..... I did not see the debate, I was only defending Biden and criticizing this guy that he does not care about the Iraqi people if he thinks Biden's proposal is a product of arrogance. I know nothing about Gravel or what his attitudes or opinions are.
He should not have personally attacked Biden with implying Biden's plan was motivated by arrogance and not compassion - I was making a logical deduction based on what was given to me.
And you should not be attacking me personally by quoting a statement out of context, and gossiping about it on the blog.
Shame on you.
Fred,
Former Senator Gravel from Alaska is a presidential candidate. He is famous for reading the secret Pentagon papers on the floor of the Senate and affirming in court the our legislators are immune from prosecution for what they say in their chamber. He's proposing that we do away with the income tax and substitute a national sales tax. Reed has videotaped some conversations with him.
apparent...1. readily seen; open to view; visible 2. Readily understood or perceived; plain or obvious
Shame on you for saying Gravel apparently doesn't care when you know nothing of the man
....Sen. Joe Biden, too, distinguished himself with his wit and humor. His one-word answer --"Yes" -- when asked whether he could be trusted to represent America on the world stage was the highlight of the night.
Former Sen. Mike Gravel was downright mean, repeatedly attacking his fellow candidates; he even referred to Biden as "arrogant" at one point. He made Kucinich seem like a teddy bear by comparison.....
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/democrats_focused_their_fire_o.html
Reed in VT
Wed, 05/02/07
9:29 pm
Shame on you for saying Gravel apparently doesn't care when you know nothing of the man
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There is nothing wrong with drawing negative conclusions about someone who bad-mouthed someone I support and respect. I don't need to know him.
Gravel's website could not handle the flood of hits after the debate, they said. Bloggers complained that they were ready to donate money but were unable to get into the website .
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl...
Where's my umbrella hat?
FACTS TO PONDER :
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
Now think about this:
Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.(Yes, that's 80 million..)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT
LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors
before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on lawyers
for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention
The fact that our Constitution gives a single person (Bush) the right to veto the will of 66% of the American people, and because less than that percentage of those in Congress are likely to vote to override it, that it will likely stand...points out that our Constitution does not really provide the "checks and balances" it was designed to.
It needs to be remembered (or in most cases learned) that the Constitution was written and ratified by a bunch of rich guys who were terrified of the people. And despite some populist changes such as the direct election of senators the government is still designed to be as remote as possible from those it should represent.
Anyone know if Gravel had any new ideas for how to get out of Iraq peacefully - or does he gain his notoriety by criticizing other's creative ideas and attacking their character?
Reed, that's great.
Because of the heated debate with me posting an article pointing out all the money from Corporations to B O by Josh Frank, and Tom being the watch dog and posting one trashing Al Gore that Josh Frank wrote last year. I went to his website and saw that that he declared Senator Gravel the winner of the debate. LOL
Hopefully he won't attempt to smear Gravel because that must be wrong if Frank said so. :)
20. high boots :-)
There is nothing wrong with drawing negative conclusions about someone who bad-mouthed someone I support and respect. I don't need to know him.
The difference in you and Gravel is he knows all about who he badmouths.
Sitka
Wed, 05/02/07
9:40 pm
The difference in you and Gravel is he knows all about who he badmouths
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Like you Sitka, right?
Anyone know if Gravel had any new ideas for how to get out of Iraq peacefully
That's a straw argument. Iraq can't be gotten out of peacefully.I've only heard of three ideas that might get us out of Iraq...impeachment so these a$$holes can be put under oath, Phil's paygo the supplemental by rescinding the tax cuts and Gravel's make it unlawful to stay/filibuster...any better suggestions?
Gravel's website could not handle the flood of hits after the debate, they said.
This about when Dean started to take off back in 04.
Fred, do you want to see the video of Gravel highlights of the debate that will help answer your questions? Instead of taking our word?
He said "you pass a law...a LAW, making it a felony to continue the war.....(and more"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMlHv2lD...
Re: AL GORE ON SNL
Sent a friend in Canada the link to Crooks & Liars showing the Al Gore SNL video and guess what. It no longer links.
I checked it out and learned: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by NBC."
So I guess the networks aren't sharing anymore.
Yet, since I am not able to find it even on NBC's own site, I wonder if NBC is playing politics.
Folks can still see the photo and read the transcript at least, on Crooks and Liars.
BUT ~
Does anyone have a working link to the video??
listener, yes, that happened some time ago, unfortunately. Oh, yes, wouldn't be surprised, NBC is VERY NeoCon pro Bush.
But I though I saw it again recently when I was doing a search on Youtube, I will have to go check.
LISTENER...I ALREADY FOUND IT!!!! WOOOHOOOO
ON YOU TUBE ...and you don't have to download like Crooks and Liars...here ya' go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMlHv2lD...
I'm grateful for you checking, Linda. XOXOXXX
my pleasure listener...only it is different... spanish subtitles along the bottom. But hay, more the merrier to enjoy, right?
I can watch that appearance nonstop, so I'm happy you brought it up for me to find it. Thank you.
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I hadn't heard that Sitka...when did Obey say that?
Linda*in*SFNM
Wed, 05/02/07
9:48 pm
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Thanks, Linda, I'll watch it after The News Hour.
wOOt, Linda! THAT'S THE ONE! Bloggers RULE! LOL!
Linda 38. I am still holding out hope that Gore will enter the race.
It's my favourite SNL clip ever~!!
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Is that the clip where he's president...the link doesn't work for me
I hadn't heard that Sitka...when did Obey say that?
Oddly enough, when he was attacking anti-war Democrats...
listener, me too. I am hopeful that he will decide to. The signs are good. The support is overwhelming. Remain hopeful.
Reed yes, that one. Here try again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Y9M1ztx...
Thanks, linda, for that link. I had only heard truncated clips of Gravel's comments. The more I see, the more i like.
The First Refugees of Global Warming
http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/050207EA.shtml
Bangladesh, which has 140 million people packed into an area a little smaller than Illinois, is one of the most vulnerable places as climate changes. As the sea level slowly rises, this nation, which is little more than a series of low-lying delta islands amid some of Asia's mightiest rivers, is seeing saltwater creep into its coastal soils and drinking water. Scientists say that in many ways it represents climate change's "perfect storm" of challenges because the country is extremely poor, extremely populated and extremely susceptible.
Al Gore, dammit!
Does Gravel's age bother anyone? He looks and acts young but I still find it a bit troubling. He certainly needs to be high profile in any dem regime but I don't see the so-called leaders calling on him.
Sitka
Wed, 05/02/07
9:45 pm
That's a straw argument. Iraq can't be gotten out of peacefully.
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You make it sound like a scientific priniciple. With Bush, maybe not, but for you to make such a statement with such certainty reveals how sophomoric you are. I listen to the people who live there and study the situation and they would be hard pressed to state such a fact without reservation.
There will never be 100% peace. We don't even have that here, but there is a minimal level for which we can seek and strive
If the bees go, can we be far behind? This story has dropped off the news..
Deserted Beehives, Starving Young Stun Scientists
http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/050207EC.shtml
"The bees were gone," David Hackenberg says. "The honey was still there. There are young brood (eggs) still in the hive. Bees just don't do that." On that November night last year in the Florida field where he wintered his bees, Hackenberg found 400 hives empty. Another 30 hives were "disappearing, dwindling or whatever you want to call it," and their bees were "full of a fungus nobody's ever seen before."
I listen to the people who live there and study the situation.......
LOL. All you listen to and study (and then regurgitate) are NeoCon talking points.
But I must admit to mispeaking Iraq can be gotten out of peacefully in one of two ways -- winning or telling everyone in Iraq when we'll leave. Trouble is, the former can never happen and the latter won't with Bush.
Karina Newton, Nancy Pelosi's new Media Director
was on CSPAN today saying that
she wants to develop relationships with bloggers!
Does Gravel's age bother anyone?
I don't know his age nor do I care. I'll take one smart and honest old man over a dozen stupid and corrupt young ones -- or Hillary.
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Sea,
Age is a number...aging is contingent with each person...I know 50 yr. olds in a nursing home and the 93 yr. old that I care take for is home alone recovering from a broken hip, still heating with wood, smoking cigarettes, drinking scotch and reads books rather than watches tv because nothing good is ever on.
There will never be 100% peace. We don't even have that here
Now where have I heard that before?
"...there is an acceptable level of violence in all societies. Even our own"
Sitka
Wed, 05/02/07
10:30 pm
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There will never be 100% peace.
Just an "acceptable level of violence"?
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sounds like you think any level of violence is acceptable, as long as we can get the hell out ASAP
Linda*in*SFNM
Wed, 05/02/07
9:48 pm
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Fred, do you want to see the video of Gravel highlights of the debate that will help answer your questions? Instead of taking our word?
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Well I was not really impressed - but I can see why some here are ga-ga for the guy. He made a big splash scolding Obama, Hillary, etc for the tough words on Iraq, but he can across like a guy in a bar who just had an argument with his teenage son.
Thankful - e-mail me. Diane has the gift in that you asked her to order.
And, as always, it is so very good to be here among friends.
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seashell
I remember hearing him the first time. He said, "people worried about my age, don't, I'll get a young VP".
Reed...Scotch...what kind? You all have Tamnavulin! Yum. Got to know it in Seattle, couldn't get it in Cinci,....but New Hampshire and Vermont.....in Grocery Stores even...and on sale! :)
Linda 46. Just saw your note.
listener...do you want some buttons?
Gore buttons? Sure!
We might need to wait until he announces...?
Fred 55. Can't remember if it was ABC or CBS news tonight that said Bush is very concerned about leaving before working out protection for the oil. Something tells me that has nothing to do with the natives.
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"he can across like a guy in a bar who just had an argument with his teenage son".
Do you have a teenage son Fred?
Thanks David!
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By Scott Trimble on May 2, 2007 11:11 AM EDTMike Gravel is first!!!
The fact that our Constitution gives a single person (Bush) the right to veto the will of 66% of the American people, and because less than that percentage of those in Congress are likely to vote to override it, that it will likely stand...points out that our Constitution does not really provide the "checks and balances" it was designed to. It is far from balanced, and far from democratic when one person can overrule the will of the people. That is called dictatorship. For all our Constitution's good intentions, this neo-con cabal has found a way to squeeze through the loopholes in it. This is not the first instance of that. We have been living in a near-dictatorship for almost six years, and our dictator is starting to argue that our military shoyuld not be controlled by the civilian legislative assembly!!! The time has come to give power to the people. We need Constitutional amendments that will transform this country from an oligarchy masking itself as a republic into a constitutional democracy, with built-in protections for minority interests and individuals against majority tyranny, but with better protection against fascism and autocracy.