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Putting a face on yesterday's Supreme Court decision
Jessica Stites is Editorial Assistant at Ms. Magazine:
Yesterday's ruling upheld Bush’s ban on the D&X (dilation & extraction) abortion procedure. Its language, however, is vague enough to potentially outlaw D&E (dilation and evacuation), the procedure used in 95% of post-first trimester abortions. No exception was provided for the health of women.
But what does that mean in real-life terms?
One answer comes from Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Martha Mendoza, who in 2004 learned that her 19-week-old fetus was dead in her womb. Even then — just months after the ban was first passed -- it was already becoming difficult to find a doctor willing and able to perform a D&E. Martha Mendoza tells of her struggle to find one in her lucid, heart-wrenching Summer 2004 Ms. essay "Between a Woman and her Doctor”:
“...I’d been through labor and delivery three times before, with great joy as well as pain, and the notion of going through that profound experience only to deliver a dead fetus (whose skin was already starting to slough off, whose skull might be collapsing) was horrifying.
I also did some research, spoke with friends who were obstetricians and gynecologists, and quickly learned this: Study after study shows D&Es are safer than labor and delivery. Women who had D&Es were far less likely to have bleeding requiring transfusion, infection requiring intravenous antibiotics, organ injuries requiring additional surgery or cervical laceration requiring repair and hospital readmission.A review of 300 second- trimester abortions published in 2002 in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology found that 29 percent of women who went through labor and delivery had complications, compared with just 4 percent of those who had D&Es.
... [But] the years of angry debate that led to the passage [of the 2003 abortion procedure ban], restrictive state laws and the violence targeting physicians have reduced the number of hospitals and doctors willing to do dilations and evacuations (D&Es) and dilations and extractions (intact D&Es), which involve removing a larger fetus, sometimes in pieces, from the womb.
... After examining me and confirming I was bleeding but not hemorrhaging, the attending obstetrician, obviously pregnant herself, defensively explained that only one of their dozens of obstetricians and gynecologists still does D&Es, and he was simply not available.
Not today. Not tomorrow. Not the next day.”
Read the article in full: http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2004/womanandherdoctor.asp
-Jessica Stites
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/pew/20070419/ts_pew/52haveafavorableopinionofthenra_1
52% - Have a Favorable Opinion of the NRA
Thu Apr 19, 1:00 AM ET
The tragic events at Virginia Tech -- and Friday’s anniversary of the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School tragedy -- come at a time when recent surveys have found that Americans have become less supportive of gun control in recent years, and that more than half the public (52%) now expresses a favorable view of the National Rifle Association. A January Pew survey found, for the first time since 1994, that the favorability rating of the anti-gun-control advocacy group had crossed the 50% mark
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Opinions of the NRA have improved among most demographic and political groups, but the organization has made its greatest gains among its traditional constituencies -- men, whites and Republicans.
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Written in an email from Garry S. Shay
Member, Democratic National Committee (CA) and
Lead Chair Rules Committee, California Democratic Party
Representing 6.7 million registered Democrats
Links to the Opinions in GONZALES v. CARHART and GONZALES v. PLANNED PARENTHOOD FEDERATION OFAMERICA upholding the validity of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 are posted here:
Text of Opinion of the Court (Justice Kennedy):
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05...
Concurring Opinion (Justice Thomas):
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05...
Dissent (Justice Ginsberg):
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05...
honoring Khaled Abdelwahhab:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-04-16-voa56.cfm?rss=warandconflict
Jewish Holocaust Memorial Honors Arab Muslim
By Mike O'Sullivan
Los Angeles
16 April 2007
A Jewish organization in Los Angeles has honored an Arab Muslim who saved Tunisian Jews from Nazi persecution. VOA's Mike O'Sullivan reports on a memorial service at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.
The Holocaust memorial featured invocations in Hebrew and in Arabic.
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One dramatic account comes from Tunisia, controlled at the time by the pro-Nazi Vichy regime, and eventually occupied by the Germans. Satloff says some Jews were placed in labor camps, and some were executed.
In the Tunisian town of Mahdia, a family named Boukris took refuge in an olive-press factory, with other Jewish families. One day, an Arab man named Khaled Abdelwahhab decided to help.
"That night, he went to the olive press factory, banged at the door, and told everyone there to pack their bags and come with him," said Robert Satloff. "For the rest of the night, he ferried 24 people back and forth in his car to a farm that he owned 20 kilometers away."
Satloff heard the story from survivor Anny Boukris in 2003. She died a short time later, and her daughter represented her at the ceremony.
Khaled Abdelwahhab died in 1997, and his daughter, Faiza, spoke on his behalf. She says she hopes this recognition has a wider impact.
"Today, as a daughter of Khaled Abdelwahhab, I extend my hand as a sincere and truthful bridge to my Jewish brothers and sisters," she said. "Together, we can open space for dialogue and encounter between our peoples."
She says that in a world haunted by war, the message of this Holocaust ceremony should give confidence to those who dream of peace.
After the war, according to the account of the late Anny Boukris, Khaled Abdelwahhab was a frequent honored guest at her family's Sabbath dinners.
There are other stories of wartime Muslims helping Jews in Arab lands, outlined in Robert Satloff's book Among the Righteous.
McCain and Gulliani = mavericks who wear flipflops ?:
GOP candidates praise abortion ruling
By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer
Wed Apr 18, 6:43 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential candidates, who differ on abortion rights, were unanimous Wednesday in their praise for the Supreme Court's ruling upholding the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.
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"I'm very happy about the decision given my position on abortion. Partial birth is one of the most odious aspects of abortion," Arizona Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) said while campaigning in South Carolina.
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McCain's record is not clear-cut on abortion: He said once in 1999 that he didn't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned, but now he advocates its repeal.
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Giuliani favors abortion rights and has drawn criticism for supporting public funding of some abortions. But he says he would appoint justices very similar to Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, President Bush's appointees. Both were part of the majority in Wednesday's ruling.
Giuliani said in a statement that he approves of the high court's action.
"The Supreme Court reached the correct conclusion in upholding the congressional ban on partial birth abortion. I agree with it," he said.
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I'm going to restrict my voting on the All-Stars to chosing between the women that are running.
* rdorgan
Thu, 04/19/07
10:18 am
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First are the doctors (and one of the finest is Howard, doing his best to heal America).
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Most go into medicine for the money and prestige....too few really care. A few years back, int the late 1990a, the AMA lobbied Congress to cutback Medicare subsidies to Medical Training Hospitals, in order to force them to train less doctors.
The idea was that the AMA feared a "doctor glut" and the cost of medical care would go down, doctors would make less. Such a horrible thought!
Few people know that Medicare subsidizes 3/4 of training hospitals to the tune of $100,000 per year, per intern. Congress voted to have Medicare pay these hospitals NOT to train doctors for a few years, then gradually cutback on the programs to keep the numbers of doctors down and demand for doctors up.
One of our greatest human resources, education and medicine, and we discourage production of it, because doctors want to keep their economic status. This country sucks.
The Supremes gave Hillary a boost yesterday. Democratic women activists are going to be fighting mad. (in a good way) that is to say a high turnout at the caucuses.
our platform: We support Roe v Wade as settled law
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To all who are interested:
The time and location for Senator Clinton's Decorah visit are as follows:
Time: 11:15 AM
Date: Sunday, April 22, 2007
Location: Luther College Gym
FRED -
My wife is happy with her primary care doctor and I with mine. Those two docs IMO do care about their patients.
As for the larger macro picture, of course there are problems.
AARP Illinois Congressional Vote Alert: Senators Durbin and Obama Back Allowing Medicare to Bargain for Better Rx Prices - Senate Blocks Vote
CHICAGO, April 18 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Despite the support of a majority of the U.S. Senate, including Senator Richard Durbin (news, bio, voting record) and Senator Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), along with nearly 90 percent of voting-age Americans, S.3, the Medicare Fair Prescription Drug Price Act of 2007, was blocked from coming up for a vote on the Senate floor today. The legislation would give Medicare the power to bargain for lower prescription drug prices. Similar legislation, H.R. 4, passed the U.S. House of Representatives earlier this year.
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AARP commends Illinois Senators Durbin and Obama for standing up to the powerful drug companies and supporting this bill -- it's unfortunate a minority of the Senate was able to block the bill from going forward," said Bob Gallo, State Director for AARP Illinois.
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86.
Huron John
Thu, 04/19/07
9:03 am
"Guns are as ingrained in the American psyche as fighting is in hockey"
Not true of course. Most Americans (including me) don't own guns.
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..., lol.
John, you might not yet representing American psyche which apparently ALLOWS SUPREMACY of "freedom to kill" to "freedom to stay alive".
Yeah, we probably should clarify for ourselves WHAT “freedom” means and then engrave it into our psyche /culture (but first into the law).
111.
Michael Ellis
Thu, 04/19/07
10:31 am
...Lets all ask ourselves that question........
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Yep, the tough one.
No doubts price will be high OTHERWISE those "killers"/"islamo fascists"/"dead enders" ARE very forgivable!
We'll find out soon.
Don't panic, Hillary is still in third here, lol
I'll be chosing who to support in August. Right now she would be my fourth choice.
I'm waiting for Al to announce this summer.
Thu, 04/19/07
8:38 amAt this stage, those polls are absurdly meaningless.Al Gore would turn it around in a micrsecond if he jumped in.
--- You contradict yourself. If polls were meaningless than Gore jumping in should make no difference. The truth is they are not meaningless. They do not predict the future and they do change dramatically over time. But the purpose of polls is to show current trends. The current trend is in the favor of Obama.
Huron John and Jean Wyant: I'm curious --- have you read Dreams from My Father or the Audacity of Hope ?
* rdorgan
Thu, 04/19/07
10:42 am
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It is great if you can find a good one, with real brains, even better. But poverty taught me much about how few truly caring people there are in medicine, and dentistry might even be worse.
I watched Charlie Rose last night. The subject was "fighting cancer" and it made me puke how the "experts" successfully avoid attacking our modern lifestyle and ubiquitous pollution and just focused on megabucks research and treatment, rather than hoping to cut down on the scourge occurring in the first place.
It's like telling children that it's OK to play with matches and fire, but we really need more fire-fighters.
Governor Richardson will be in Cedar Falls at Gallagher-Bluedorn auditorium on April 20 at 3 p.m.
John Edwards will be at Electric Park Ballroom on the Cattle Congress grounds in Waterloo on Sunday, April 22 at 2 p.m.,
FRED -
Doctors, like nurses, are swamped with addressing all sorts of issues, time constraints, etc. To be truthful, especially for my wife (ie. IMO women's issues still don't seem to get as much research dollars, doctors' attention, etc. as do men's), it took a number of hoops (ie. different primary doctors) for her to jump through before she found one who takes the time to diagnosis her and her ailments.
FOR or AGAINST (the numbers):
FOR
33% Obama; 30% Clinton; 29% Giuliani; 26% Edwards; 23% McCain; 20% Gingrich; 19% F Thompson; 17% Romney; 10% Richardson; 9% Biden; 6% Brownback
AGAINST
49% Gingrich; 48% Clinton; 38% Biden; 37% Edwards; 36% Brownback; 35% McCain; 34% Giuliani; 33% Romney; 33% Obama; 29% F Thompson; 28 % Richardson
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/For%20or%20Against/FororAgainst.htm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20070418/pl_rasmussen/foragainst20070418_1
Obama Moves to Top of Poll: 33% Would Definitely Vote for Him
rasmussenreports.com
Wed Apr 18, 9:35 AM ET
Obama is up, Giuliani slips to second, Edwards gains ground, and the other candidates remain in pretty much where they were a month ago. Those are the April results from a Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey asking if citizens would definitely vote for or against the 2008 contenders.
Thirty-three percent (33%) of Likely Voters say they'd definitely vote for Illinois Senator Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) (D). That's the highest total received by any of ten leading Presidential hopefuls included in the poll. Thirty-three percent (33%) also say they'd definitely vote against Obama giving him a net differential of zero (33% definitely for minus 33% definitely against equals net differential of 0). All other candidates have a net differential in negative territory meaning more people are set to definitely vote against them rather than for them. Other polling during the past month found Obama's favorability ratings have increased to the highest level of any 2008 candidate (see summary of all Democratic and Republican candidates).
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Fred
I caught Charlie Rose last night and actually one of the experts kept hammering away at tobacco use.
The Mayo pediatric oncologists were all caring people as were all the staff without exception. Get into a clinical trial was ther advice because advances are happening fast if you are diagnosed with cancer was one of the suggestions last night. For the cost of a month of war we could find a cure for several deadly cancers.
Jessica Stites is Editorial Assistant at Ms. Magazine:
Yesterday's ruling upheld Bush’s ban on the D&X (dilation & extraction) abortion procedure. Its language, however, is vague enough to potentially outlaw D&E (dilation and evacuation), the procedure used in 95% of post-first trimester abortions. No exception was provided for the health of women.
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Exceptions for the mother's health existed long before Roe v. Wade, which was intended to avoid illegal abortions and had nothing to do with medically necessary abortions.
This is a red herring.
95. Mike, thank you.
Yes. Horrible. I sent that out with this:
Iraq Streets (Before invasion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4EJ8Jlc...
And this is so heart breaking to think of these peoples lives a shambles. The buildings-no more. The children, those beautiful sweet smiling faces, gone or maimed.
All of this done in OUR name.
And then to hear these current Presidential Candidates talking callously about no option being taken off the table with Iran and that "we must do everything to protect our Israili friends". WHAT? NO, NO we don't. Now these Democratic Candidates are furthering the Bush doctrine of preemptive war? This is insane and none of them deserve to be President, much less wear a D next to their name with that type of talk and threats, complete contradiction to America's principles. We are not an empire and with this type of governing, we will never be a moral leader.
May they one day forgive us.
Phil Specht
Thu, 04/19/07
10:59 am
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Fred
I caught Charlie Rose last night and actually one of the experts kept hammering away at tobacco use.
The Mayo pediatric oncologists were all caring people as were all the staff without exception.
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as is the ignorance of intellectualism, sustained by a multi-trillion $ research and development industry, which is mostly subsidized by the same companies, subsidies and corporate conglomerates that make the pollutants that are causing most of our cancers.
Smoking and HPV are the popular, economically non-threatening targets, but even they have aggravating environmental factors and are not as causually monolithic as they are presented.
Medicine is science based, as are the remedies for global warming.
An important reason to take back our country is the Republican penchant for being anti-science almost as if the age of reason that gave birth to this country and it's instituions never happened.
it is a large part of the current downward slide in several world rankings of health and well being
the greed factor that Fred identifies also fits their view of the world
together it is toxic because force is required if you are blind and greedy
gotta go for a while
FRED from OR
Thu, 04/19/07
10:39 am
Most go into medicine for the money and prestige....too few really care.
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This country sucks.
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Agree..., and it's true NOT only regarding medicine but EVERYTHING.
Yes, it sucks..., but, again FOR WHOM?
For a few Bush&Co. team members, don't think so.
For many "non-members", sure yes!
AG Gonzalez says he terminated the US attorneys without looking at evaluation reports.
24. FRED from OR: you are wrong. this federal legislation, now declared the supreme law of the land in all states, includes NO exception for the health of the woman.
even worse, the Supreme Court decision explicitly states that women are incapable of making their own life and death decisions about their health care, and explicitly deprives women and their physicians of the right to make life-and-death decisions about needed medical treatment.
this decision is a very big step on the road to returning all females in our society to chattel status. apparently you're okay with that. fortunately, you are greatly outnumbered. the only good thing about this decision is that it is so outrageous it will not stand for long.
Philip Morris has killed more people than Merck ,Fred, I wouldn't lump them together.
alcohol kills tens of thousands, tobacco causes 100,000's of deaths sweetheart K-Street deals with drug company lobbyists enshrined in Part D law is another by-product of Republican rule
It was another powerful group that Howard took on that cost him the nomination last time (maybe one too many) but we are still here fighting
Let's hope Obama joining Durbin isn't going to cost him the nomination over that one, but make no mistake when you threaten the bottom lines of the insurance and pharmaceutical industies (and hence Wall Street) you suddenly face some pretty big guns.
Gee, so good to know that our policy decision making is categorized with that of the other devloping countries. We've come so far, backwards.
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Gore urges leaders to 'wake up' to climate crisis
Posted : Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:46:59GMT
Author : DPA
Category : Environment
Singapore - Former US vice president Al Gore urged global leaders on Thursday to "wake up" and respond to the climate crisis which has become the greatest challenge of the current generation. Gore, one of seven recipients of the United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP's) Champions of the Earth Award, told delegates attending a conference in Singapore that he has hope.
His remarks were read to the 600 executives attending the Global Business Summit in Singapore by actress and environmental activist Daryl Hannah.
"Global public opinion, the private sector and elected officials around the world have taken up the call to action and begun to see the vast opportunities that can emerge from addressing this challenge," said Gore, whose acclaimed documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, won two US Academy Awards.
"When the nations of the world come together to the common good, we will regain our moral authority not only to tackle the climate crisis, but also to address the other major environmental threats we face today," he said.
The six other Champions of the Earth Award winners were Jacques Rogue, president of the International Olympic Committee and the IOC, Brazil's Marina Silva, Sweden's Viveka Bohn, Algeria's Cherif Rahmani, Filipino Elisea "Bebet" Gillera Gozun and Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan.
Earlier George Kell, executive director of the UN Global Compact, called on top businesses to become "frontrunners" in adopting environmentally-friendly practices.
He challenged the more than 600 executives attending the Global Business Summit to make "pro-active management of environmental and social issues into a business model that becomes a standard" for others.
The compact, started in 2000, is an initiative bringing together companies with the UN and other agencies to support environmental and social problems.
It currently has 4,000 members from 100 countries, Kell told the delegates, but worldwide transnationals number 70,000.
The meeting came two days after the UN Security Council held a debate on the impact of climate change on conflict. Developing countries objected, maintaining that global warming is not an issue of international peace and order.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/...
The fight to take our country back for the people is not going to be either quick or painless.
Before we can start any of that we have to end the war.
I do tend to think that it is no coincidence that it was men who made the ruling, and men who started the war, and even a man shooter at VT.
I'll be over here on the women's side making sure the next President isn't a Republican
bbl
Phil Specht
Thu, 04/19/07
11:08 am
the greed factor that Fred identifies also fits their view of the world
together it is toxic because force is required if you are blind and greedy
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exactly - the national discussion should be how de-regulation of the pharma-chemical-food-cosmetic-body care-cleaner industries is leading to an epidemic increase of many chronic degenerate diseases (not just cancer) and a host of auto-immune killers like diabetes, asthma, now the greatest cause of death among children.
But criticizing Corporate America is like blasphemy among intellectuals and neocons.
Phil Specht
Thu, 04/19/07
11:17 am
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Philip Morris has killed more people than Merck ,Fred, I wouldn't lump them together
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I don't think I was that specific, but....
You'd be surprized how many corporate links YOU WOULD find, if you started doing your homework.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CZmh#comments
"He would be a president of the people"By Sam Graham-Felsen - Apr 18th, 2007 at 8:03 pm EDT
...John A. is a 58-year-old farmer from Randolph, Nebraska.
He and his brother both own a thousand acres and they share equipment. John farms a rotating crop of corn and soybeans, and he also finishes two to three hundred cows and around eight hundred hogs a year.
I belong to a pig co-op where I get pigs, take ‘em to my farm at 40 pounds and get ‘em up to 260 pounds and market them to producers out of Sioux City. They collect all of us independent producers and they market the hogs as a whole.
I am in 10% of the producers today that market hogs on an open livestock market. That means the hogs aren’t under contract, I’m not under contract. We are a very a small minority. Many of the big producers, they also slaughter their own hogs, which gives them a huge and unfair advantage against people like me.
This is the first time John has ever given to a presidential campaign. He has become more involved with politics in the last four or five years, because he’s “been looking at what’s going on around me.”
I farm 1000 acres and I’m considered to be in between a small and medium-sized farmer. To compare myself to some larger farmers around me, they have anywhere from 8 to 18,000 thousand acres of corn. How can I as an individual farmer compete against that person who farms that much land and gets subsidized by the government?
John calls the 2002 Farm Bill, particularly the lack of payment limits, was “the worst thing that could have happened. It was really was devastating, particularly for us in the Midwest.”
Farming runs in John’s family. His great grandfather settled in Nebraska and started a farm, and his grandfather and father followed suit. But in all likelihood, none of John’s three children will become farmers.
“In one way I'd like to see ‘em carry it on and on the other hand, I look at what they have to face, and it's such an uphill battle, so I havent pushed ‘em,” says John.
When my dad farmed and when I was a young man and a neighbor had some land he wanted to sell, he would approach his neighbor first. It’s not like that today. They pull in with huge tractors and combines and they’re right across the road.
When John graduated there were 70 people in his class and there also was a Catholic high school with about 30 kids down the road. It’s not there anymore. And the public school graduating class this year had 37 students. The kindergarten class only has 17.
John hasn’t always voted Democratic. In the 80’s, he voted for Reagan. “He had a lot of charisma and he seemed like a strong leader. But at the time, I didn’t really know about the corporate ties of the Republican party.”
“I think our country is in the worst shape its been in a long time,” says John, “and I think a lot of it comes down to the lack of government interest in the people. But I think Obama, of all the candidates, just sticks out as someone with a sense of caring about what I think.”
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The AG is having recollection problems regarding a very important meeting in late November, 2006....not quite a 1/2 year ago.
Jean Wyant
Thu, 04/19/07
11:12 am
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24. FRED from OR: you are wrong. this federal legislation, now declared the supreme law of the land in all states, includes NO exception for the health of the woman...
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My point is that it does not need one...medically necessary abortions to save the life of the mother, or to keep her from immediate and/or permanent damage were NEVER against the laws in this country, and it was not the intent of Roe to establish the need for such abortions. They were already legal before Roe.
On the other hand the "medical exception" has been too broadly interpreted and vague to make such laws basically toothless. So I can see why you would want the "medical exception" if you are against such a restriction, and naturally doctors would be against such regulations, as all professionals want to minimize oversight and regulation, to minimize their legal risks.
However, to say this means the writesr of the law don't care about women's health, or to say women will die as a result, is something I would have to agree with, and also assumes that such abortions procedures are without risk themselves, also false.
sorry I cannot respond, I'm going to the dentist, maybe later.
The AG is making contradicting statements according to Senator Schumer.
gonzo is lying and is caught in it by schumer. gonzo must go
linda b
Thu, 04/19/07
12:19 pm
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gonzo .... will be gone soon.
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linda b -
But what character will Sesame Street replace Gonzo with ? (sorry, I couldn't resist when I saw the nickname Gonzo; in all seriousness, I hope that Alberto Gonzalez is man enough to resign)
http://www.collectorsconnection.com/images4/15a551.jpg
rdorgan, that one looks a lot better than gonzo.
durbin is hitting the nail on the head.
the u.s. attorneys reputation is in jeopardy. our country is in jeopardy.
it is not about you gonzo, it is about us. our country, our people.
gonzo must go.
Gonzo isn't on Seseme Street, he's on the Muppet Show.
AG Gonzales testimony continues. I beg you to think before you comment. The threads are moving quickly this morning, and having to switch fast and furious cuts into liveblogging time. Please keep comments on topic and try to refrain from extraneous commentary where possible to not clog the server. Thanks
rich -
Thanks for setting the record straight. I thought everytime I saw Gonzo blow himself up that that was Sesame Street ? Well, probably too violent for youngsters, so that explains The Muppet Show on in the evenings.
Ok, I watched The Muppet Show.
Ahh...search engines
And here he is, the Great Gonzo...Yayyyyyyy!
Joe Galloway on the draft..
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashingt...
last paragraph:
If you aren't prepared to invest your son or daughter in continuing this war, then it's time for you to give some serious thought to how and when it can be ended, and what the candidates for president in 2008 are saying about an open-ended commitment of other Americans' sons and daughters to a war we can't afford and can't win.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/VATech/story?i...
Psychiatrist: Showing Video Is 'Social Catastrophe'
Mental Health Expert Says Shooter Was Trying to Attempt Immortality; Showing Clips Validates His Delusions
April 19, 2007 — The videos of Seung-hui Cho, the man who fatally shot 32 people at Virginia Tech on Monday and then killed himself, shouldn't have been released because they don't offer the public any greater understanding of the gruesome crime, said Michael Welner, a forensic psychiatrist and ABC News consultant, on "Good Morning America" today.
"If anybody cares about the victims in Blacksburg and if anybody cares about their children, stop showing this video now. Take it off the Internet. Let it be relegated to YouTube," Welner said. "This is a social catastrophe. Showing the video is a social catastrophe."
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/VATech/story?i...
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By * rdorgan on Apr 19, 2007 10:18 AM EDTFirst are the doctors (and one of the finest is Howard, doing his best to heal America).